OT: NFL

[Fightingscot82]

No teams wants the baggage Sanders will bring with Daddy making demands and chirping.

Nobody wants the Lonzo Ball of football.

[IUPNation]

No teams wants the baggage Sanders will bring with Daddy making demands and chirping.

[IUP24]

Cleveland's roster is just so, so bad right now. Whichever QB they toss in there this year -- Little Primetime, KP or Flacco -- is going to get murdered.

I don't think the Browns going QB early in Rd 2 is a good decision. Try and build up and then go heavy on a higher-up QB next year. They have two Rd 1 picks next year (as of now) and odds are pretty good their pick will be very high in 2026. I guess that was the logic in trading back last night (quantity).

Overall it was a pretty non-eventful Rd 1. I was a bit surprised Tyler Warren wasn't picked a bit higher (and was the second TE taken). The theory among the talking heads is the Michigan TE is more pro ready as he played a 'pro' TE role at Michigan, as to where Warren played about every position on the field in many gadget schemes.

All I can tell you is all 32 picks last night were fantastic and can't miss. And, three years from now, we'll look back and about half of them will miss.

Travis Hunter's outfit was something. Abdul Carter looked like the Zodiac.

It is interesting that the talking heads tend to so heavily talk up prospects from major programs. There's a guy I like that is pretty objective in his analysis that is not a major media outlet guy. He indicated in some of his film breakdowns that had Warren been in the draft in either of the last two years, he wouldn't have even been remotely considered as a 1st round pick. That's not saying he wasn't a really good college player. All these guys are really good college players.

[Chuck Norris]

Cleveland's roster is just so, so bad right now. Whichever QB they toss in there this year -- Little Primetime, KP or Flacco -- is going to get murdered.

I don't think the Browns going QB early in Rd 2 is a good decision. Try and build up and then go heavy on a higher-up QB next year. They have two Rd 1 picks next year (as of now) and odds are pretty good their pick will be very high in 2026. I guess that was the logic in trading back last night (quantity).

Overall it was a pretty non-eventful Rd 1. I was a bit surprised Tyler Warren wasn't picked a bit higher (and was the second TE taken). The theory among the talking heads is the Michigan TE is more pro ready as he played a 'pro' TE role at Michigan, as to where Warren played about every position on the field in many gadget schemes.

All I can tell you is all 32 picks last night were fantastic and can't miss. And, three years from now, we'll look back and about half of them will miss.

Travis Hunter's outfit was something. Abdul Carter looked like the Zodiac.

Yeah if Cleveland doesn’t take him it’ll be interesting to see just how much further Shedeur could fall. Jalen Milroe’s stock actually seems to be rising some as a potentially bigger, stronger Lamar Jackson if he can develop as a passer. It might not be stunning if he goes before Shedeur. He’s someone that a better team without an immediate QB need could take a flyer on knowing that he can sit and learn for a year or two.

I wonder if the Steelers will try to trade back into the second round. I’m not sure what they have that will get that done.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Speaking of country clubs, word is that Aaron Rodgers’ people are calling around trying to find one he’ll want to join in or around Pittsburgh.

Even though all the talk was trending that way heading into last night, I’m still surprised that everybody passed on Shedeur. And now the Browns have two of the first four picks in round 2 and that’s allegedly a place his dad absolutely didn’t want him to go. Maybe they’re all a bit humbled after last night. Maybe.

Steelers made the safe, unspectacular choice at a position of great need. It will be interesting to see which QB they do eventually pick to sit under the ARod learning tree.

Cleveland's roster is just so, so bad right now. Whichever QB they toss in there this year -- Little Primetime, KP or Flacco -- is going to get murdered.

I don't think the Browns going QB early in Rd 2 is a good decision. Try and build up and then go heavy on a higher-up QB next year. They have two Rd 1 picks next year (as of now) and odds are pretty good their pick will be very high in 2026. I guess that was the logic in trading back last night (quantity).

Overall it was a pretty non-eventful Rd 1. I was a bit surprised Tyler Warren wasn't picked a bit higher (and was the second TE taken). The theory among the talking heads is the Michigan TE is more pro ready as he played a 'pro' TE role at Michigan, as to where Warren played about every position on the field in many gadget schemes.

All I can tell you is all 32 picks last night were fantastic and can't miss. And, three years from now, we'll look back and about half of them will miss.

Travis Hunter's outfit was something. Abdul Carter looked like the Zodiac.

[Chuck Norris]

Speaking of country clubs, word is that Aaron Rodgers’ people are calling around trying to find one he’ll want to join in or around Pittsburgh.

Even though all the talk was trending that way heading into last night, I’m still surprised that everybody passed on Shedeur. And now the Browns have two of the first four picks in round 2 and that’s allegedly a place his dad absolutely didn’t want him to go. Maybe they’re all a bit humbled after last night. Maybe.

Steelers made the safe, unspectacular choice at a position of great need. It will be interesting to see which QB they do eventually pick to sit under the ARod learning tree.

[IUPNation]

There's a lot of money in Indiana (for its size).

There's two decent size banks HQ'd here plus the hospital. IUP also has some high-paying jobs.

There was enough to keep the country club doing well for several decades.

The issue now isn't having enough of a younger generation able to afford it but rather the interest just isn't there.

As the post above said if the average age of the active member is nearing 70 ... what's that going to mean in 5-10 years from now? That's very common in many of these private clubs. Those who could now afford to join in their 40s simply aren't. The publics have seen big upticks in business because of it.

It always seem like a town of haves or have nots. Not a lot of middle ground…but never thought it was a country club kinda area.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I was always kind of surprised Indiana had a Country Club.

There's a lot of money in Indiana (for its size).

There's two decent size banks HQ'd here plus the hospital. IUP also has some high-paying jobs.

There was enough to keep the country club doing well for several decades.

The issue now isn't having enough of a younger generation able to afford it but rather the interest just isn't there.

As the post above said if the average age of the active member is nearing 70 ... what's that going to mean in 5-10 years from now? That's very common in many of these private clubs. Those who could now afford to join in their 40s simply aren't. The publics have seen big upticks in business because of it.

[IUPNation]

Based on what I’m seeing at Indiana CC, I agree. The full golf membership is too high for what you get and the social membership has little value. They just upped the monthly food minimum to $75 (was $50) and did it via a buried sentence in a video from the new club president and not a direct announcement to membership. Said it’s designed to get people to the club more often, LOL. The food is average and you can find better at area restaurants. Drinks are way over priced. Regular member activity there is light most days. As far as golf and the 19th hole goes, it’s livelier at the bar at Meadow Lane. Obviously not as “fancy” but way more fun. You can go to the frat party or the rich teenager’s birthday party.

I get it that joining a CC isn’t necessarily about value, but it’s not like Indiana or towns with clubs like it are loaded with movers and shakers that you need to build relationships with. I’ll bet the average age of the regulars at ICC is 70.

I was always kind of surprised Indiana had a Country Club.

[EyeoftheHawk]

What you and I remember as 'Country Clubs' are quickly dying.

People our age aren't joining. The weekend warrior types are making some public courses financial boom towns. Play and be done. No monthly dinner spending requirements, etc.

It will be interesting to see if many long-standing clubs can remain private much longer. I'm not talking Oakmont types but those on the level of Indiana Country Club.

Based on what I’m seeing at Indiana CC, I agree. The full golf membership is too high for what you get and the social membership has little value. They just upped the monthly food minimum to $75 (was $50) and did it via a buried sentence in a video from the new club president and not a direct announcement to membership. Said it’s designed to get people to the club more often, LOL. The food is average and you can find better at area restaurants. Drinks are way over priced. Regular member activity there is light most days. As far as golf and the 19th hole goes, it’s livelier at the bar at Meadow Lane. Obviously not as “fancy” but way more fun. You can go to the frat party or the rich teenager’s birthday party.

I get it that joining a CC isn’t necessarily about value, but it’s not like Indiana or towns with clubs like it are loaded with movers and shakers that you need to build relationships with. I’ll bet the average age of the regulars at ICC is 70.

[Fightingscot82]

What you and I remember as 'Country Clubs' are quickly dying.

People our age aren't joining. The weekend warrior types are making some public courses financial boom towns. Play and be done. No monthly dinner spending requirements, etc.

It will be interesting to see if many long-standing clubs can remain private much longer. I'm not talking Oakmont types but those on the level of Indiana Country Club.

I live adjacent to a private country club. It's definitely third tier of private clubs around Pittsburgh, but they're doing alright. They're a full country club (the other relatively newer club a mile away is golf and dining only) and they do a ton of weddings and external outings. During covid they built a new clubhouse with a gym and golf stimulator. But the basic membership is a $10,000 up front payment then $750 a month between the minimum spend and assessment on the facilities upgrades.

[IUPNation]

What you and I remember as 'Country Clubs' are quickly dying.

People our age aren't joining. The weekend warrior types are making some public courses financial boom towns. Play and be done. No monthly dinner spending requirements, etc.

It will be interesting to see if many long-standing clubs can remain private much longer. I'm not talking Oakmont types but those on the level of Indiana Country Club.

The private country clubs should open up for public play only on the courses for certain days to raise revenue.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

During covid, golf was one of the few activities open. But that's also when YouTube golf came out. It offered alternatives to the stuffy country club elitism and the cliche of the overweight older league hacker.

What you and I remember as 'Country Clubs' are quickly dying.

People our age aren't joining. The weekend warrior types are making some public courses financial boom towns. Play and be done. No monthly dinner spending requirements, etc.

It will be interesting to see if many long-standing clubs can remain private much longer. I'm not talking Oakmont types but those on the level of Indiana Country Club.

[Fightingscot82]

It’s interesting to see what “golf culture” has turned into. And for the life of me, I cannot understand how or why it ever happened. I casually follow and play. I’m not obsessed. I know who the players and big personalities are.

Ever since COVID, young men have made “golf” their personality. It’s the strangest thing I’ve ever seen. You go to the range now, and you see 16 year olds hitting golf balls with every piece of apparel imaginable. Guys who are 19-22 are playing 80 rounds a summer. This obsession with golf, specifically with younger people never existed prior to the pandemic (at least I don’t think it ever did).

During covid, golf was one of the few activities open. But that's also when YouTube golf came out. It offered alternatives to the stuffy country club elitism and the cliche of the overweight older league hacker.

[IUP24]

Agreed. I'm not their demographic but they've taken over the golf world. You're even starting to see tour players adopt a more brash, macho persona to align.

It’s interesting to see what “golf culture” has turned into. And for the life of me, I cannot understand how or why it ever happened. I casually follow and play. I’m not obsessed. I know who the players and big personalities are.

Ever since COVID, young men have made “golf” their personality. It’s the strangest thing I’ve ever seen. You go to the range now, and you see 16 year olds hitting golf balls with every piece of apparel imaginable. Guys who are 19-22 are playing 80 rounds a summer. This obsession with golf, specifically with younger people never existed prior to the pandemic (at least I don’t think it ever did).