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    Allen has applied for Division II membership: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/com...emb_Report.pdf

    I don't know what the situation is at Allen, or whether we should expect them to be approved. But if they are, the SIAC seems like the most likely destination, particularly because they're right across the street from historical rival Benedict.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Inkblot View Post
    Allen has applied for Division II membership: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/com...emb_Report.pdf

    I don't know what the situation is at Allen, or whether we should expect them to be approved. But if they are, the SIAC seems like the most likely destination, particularly because they're right across the street from historical rival Benedict.
    That could be a boost for the SIAC, considering the status of Paine's continued membership in the NCAA is tenuous at best (then I realized that Paine dropped football a few years ago, but Paine's issues does affect the rest of the SIAC in other sports, particularly basketball).

    If nothing else, the addition of Allen probably ensures that Benedict won't be jumping to the CIAA in the foreseeable future. And, if I'm not mistaken, that gives the SIAC 12 football schools, so that should help with scheduling.
    Cal U (Pa.) Class of 2014

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Inkblot View Post
      Allen has applied for Division II membership: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/com...emb_Report.pdf

      I don't know what the situation is at Allen, or whether we should expect them to be approved. But if they are, the SIAC seems like the most likely destination, particularly because they're right across the street from historical rival Benedict.
      Schools applying for DII membership have to have a conference sponsor, don't they? If so, they already have a destination.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

        Schools applying for DII membership have to have a conference sponsor, don't they? If so, they already have a destination.
        Yes, but it's not really a conference sponsor anymore; they must have a "bona fide invitation for membership" to a conference. Allen does already know where they are going, it's just not known publicly yet.

        The SIAC is the obvious guess, mostly because Benedict College is across the street and Allen was a member until 1969. I'm curious if Allen was required to add some sports because will have only 3 men's and 4 women's sports that are conference sponsored.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
          Yes, but it's not really a conference sponsor anymore; they must have a "bona fide invitation for membership" to a conference. Allen does already know where they are going, it's just not known publicly yet.

          The SIAC is the obvious guess, mostly because Benedict College is across the street and Allen was a member until 1969. I'm curious if Allen was required to add some sports because will have only 3 men's and 4 women's sports that are conference sponsored.
          Technically, all Allen has to add is one men's and one women's sport, if their athletic website is accurate. Allen sponsors basketball, football, track and wresting on the men's side, and basketball, soccer, softball, track and volleyball on the women's side. I was under the impression that as long as a sport was sponsored by the NCAA, it didn't necessarily have to be sponsored by a conference in order to reach the 4 M/6 F or 5 M/5 F threshold required for NCAA membership (the likely choice would be cross country based on what Allen currently offers):

          From the D2 Membership Application:

          The institution shall demonstrate that it is meeting the Division II minimum sports-sponsorship requirements as outlined in Bylaw 20.10.3 (sport sponsorship) and the three-season requirement as outlined in Bylaw 20.10.4 (three-season requirement) at the time of application. Institutions must demonstrate that the sports were sponsored per the applicable legislation in the academic year immediately preceding the application date. Plans to sponsor additional sports to meet the legislated requirements in the academic year after the application deadline will not satisfy the sports-sponsorship requirement.

          Relevant bylaws from the D2 Manual:

          20.10.3 Sports Sponsorship. A member of Division II shall sponsor in Division II a minimum of: (Adopted: 1/14/02 effective 8/1/05 for those institutions that are Division II active or provisional members as of 8/1/01; immediately for any institution applying for provisional membership or declaring its intent to reclassify to Division II on or after 1/14/02)
          (a) Five Men’s and Five Women’s Varsity Sports. Five varsity intercollegiate sports, including at least two team sports, based on the minimum requirements of Bylaw 20.10.3.3 and involving all-male teams or mixed teams of males and females; and five varsity intercollegiate sports, including at least two team sports, based on the minimum requirements of Bylaw 20.10.3.3 and involving all-female teams; (Revised: 7/23/13)
          (b) Four Men’s and Six Women’s Varsity Sports. Four varsity intercollegiate sports, including at least two team sports, based on the minimum requirement of Bylaw 20.10.3.3 and involving all-male teams or mixed teams of males and females; and six varsity intercollegiate sports, including at least two team sports, based on the minimum requirements of Bylaw 20.10.3.3 and involving all-female teams; or (Revised: 7/23/13)
          (c) Single-Gender Programs. Institutions that sponsor and conduct athletics programs for only one gender must sponsor a minimum of five varsity intercollegiate sports, including at least two team sports, based on the minimum requirements of Bylaw 20.10.3.3, for that gender. (Revised: 7/23/13)
          20.10.3.1 Acceptable Sports. The sports designated to meet the sports sponsorship criteria shall:
          (a) Be among those in which the Association sponsors a championship, except as provided in Bylaw 20.10.3.1.1 or an emerging sport for women per Bylaw 20.03;
          (b) Be recognized by the institution as varsity intercollegiate sports (see Constitution 3.3.4.4);
          (c) Involve all-male teams, mixed teams of males and females or all-female teams;
          (d) One men’s and one women’s sport required in Bylaw 20.10.3-(a) or one men’s and one women’s sport required in Bylaw 20.10.3-(b) may be sponsored in Division I; and (Adopted: 7/23/13)
          (e) Be among those in which the institution opts to participate only in the NCAA championship (i.e., an institution may not participate in a national championship sponsored by a non-NCAA organization). (Revised: 1/12/04)
          20.10.3.1.1 Waiver. The Management Council, by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may approve a request to designate one sport involving all-male teams or mixed teams of males and females and one sport involving all-female teams other than those set forth in Bylaw 20.10.3.1-(a). (Revised: 1/11/89, 1/4/11)ˆ

          20.10.4 Three-Season Requirement.
          20.10.4.1 Five-Sport/Three-Season Requirement.
          A member institution shall conduct or sponsor at least one sport involving an all-male team or a mixed team of males and females and at least one sport involving an all-female team in every sport season. An institution may use a sport to meet the three-season requirement only if the institution has met the minimum contest and participants requirements for sports sponsorship in that sport as set forth in Bylaw 20.10.3.3. (Revised: 5/4/06, 7/23/13)
          20.10.4.1.1 Single-Gender Institution. Institutions that sponsor and conduct athletics programs for only one gender need not meet the four-sport/three-season requirement for the other gender. (Revised: 5/4/06, 7/23/13)
          20.10.4.1.2 Waiver. The Membership Committee, by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may waive the requirements of Bylaw 20.10.4.1 due to circumstances beyond an institution’s control. The Management Council shall hear and act on an institution’s appeal of a decision made by the Membership Committee in regard to an institution’s waiver of the five-sport/three-season requirement. (Revised: 5/4/06, 2/21/08, 5/16/11, 7/23/13)
          20.10.4.2 Counting Multiseason Sports. If an institution sponsors the same sport in two different seasons, it may count the sport only in the season in which its team participates in the most contests. To be counted as a fall sport, the majority of an institution’s contests or dates of competition would have to occur from September through December; to be counted as a winter sport, December through March; to be counted as spring sport, February through May. (Revised: 5/4/06)
          20.10.4.3 Male-Female Enrollment Ratio Waiver. The Membership Committee, by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may grant waivers of the sports sponsorship requirement for men or women in accordance with the procedure listed below: (Revised: 5/4/06, 7/23/13)
          (a) The institution shall submit its request for a waiver, signed by the institution’s president or chancellor, to the Membership Committee. The request shall include pertinent information supporting the institution’s request, and shall be received in the national office not later than October 1; and
          (b) The institution shall provide data demonstrating that the male-female enrollment ratio prohibits the offering of the required number of sports for one or the other gender.
          20.10.4.3.1 New Division or Restricted Membership Status. If the Membership Committee votes to reject the institution’s waiver request, the institution shall be placed in a division for which it qualifies or in restricted membership in accordance with the provisions of Bylaw 20.02.5. (Adopted: 7/23/13)
          20.10.4.3.1.1 Authority of Management Council. The Management Council shall hear and act on an institution’s waiver appeal of a decision made by the Membership Committee in regard to an institution’s waiver of the male-female enrollment ratio. (Adopted: 7/23/13)
          20.10.4.4 Three-Season Sport Waiver. The Management Council, by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may waive the requirement that an active member shall conduct at least one sport in every sport season if the institution is precluded by its academic calendar and climatic conditions from conducting a sport in a particular season. (Revised: 5/4/06)


          When I read these bylaws, it doesn't indicate that a sport has to be sponsored by the conference extending the invitation to the prospective new member.
          Cal U (Pa.) Class of 2014

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          • #6
            Yes ctrabs74; Allen does already sponsor the needed number of teams (5m/6w) overall for D2 so no worries there, but only 3m/4w are SIAC sports which is less than all current members except the Central State women total. Allen track & field is indoor and outdoor. I was wondering about any conference requirements since I'm not aware of any SIAC sport requirements like other conferences have. The GAC requires baseball, basketball, and football for men and basketball, cross country, volleyball, and an additional spring sport for women. The SIAC does have full participation only in basketball, women's cross country, and women's volleyball. It seems odd to me that Allen has track & field without having cross country; although Flagler College has had indoor track & field all these years without having outdoor.

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            • #7
              With the MEAC in current flux what's the chances of maybe SC State looking to drop down to D2 and join the SIAC??

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              • #8
                The SIAC posted the following release today (Nov 3, 2020). It includes two notable items. Allen is a new member although there has been no official announcement anywhere. Paine is not included in the list of members despite their logo still appearing at the top of the page instead of the Allen logo. It is known that Paine forfeited NCAA membership from the D2 Membership Committee report of the July meeting.
                SIAC ANNOUNCES RETURN TO PLAY PLANS FOR 2021

                The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SIAC), announced today that it will seek to cautiously and prudently move forward with the 2021 winter and spring sports schedule. The SIAC men’s and women’s basketball schedule will begin on January 9 and will feature a 12-14 game conference schedule that will culminate with the SIAC Basketball Championship Tournament featuring all SIAC men and women teams - including recently admitted SIAC member (provisional), Allen University.

                The spring 2021 season will feature men’s and women’s tennis, golf, men’s and women’s track and field, softball, and baseball. The SIAC will not sponsor championships for football, men’s and women’s cross country, and women’s volleyball for the remainder of the 2020-21 academic year – although individual institutions may, based on unique or special circumstances, participate in intercollegiate competition in those sports.

                At this juncture, fans will not be permitted at any sporting competition taking place on SIAC campuses.

                SIAC Commissioner Gregory Moore stated, “In light of the fluid and dynamic nature of the current COVID-19 crisis, the SIAC will continue to work closely with its member institutions and continue to monitor and evaluate the health and safety risks, while also reserving the option to make scheduling adjustments should current circumstances change. I would also like to express appreciation of the efforts of Clark Atlanta Athletic Director Dr. Lin Dawson and his colleague SIAC ADs in connection with their efforts in crafting recommendations that were informed by the most recent NCAA COVID-19 Medical Advisory recommendations as well as updated state and local health official guidance.”


                About the SIAC
                The SIAC is a NCAA athletic conference consisting primarily of historically black colleges and universities with headquarters in downtown Atlanta, Georgia. The SIAC includes 14 member institutions (Albany State University, Allen University, Benedict College, Central State University, Clark Atlanta University, Fort Valley State University, Kentucky State University, Lane College, LeMoyne-Owen College, Miles College, Morehouse College, Savannah State University, Spring Hill College, and Tuskegee University), which are located within a contiguous six-state footprint (Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee and Ohio). The SIAC sponsors seven men's and six women's sports and is a proud member of the NCAA Division II.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                  The SIAC posted the following release today (Nov 3, 2020). It includes two notable items. Allen is a new member although there has been no official announcement anywhere. Paine is not included in the list of members despite their logo still appearing at the top of the page instead of the Allen logo. It is known that Paine forfeited NCAA membership from the D2 Membership Committee report of the July meeting.
                  Interesting. Meanwhile, Allen has an Appalachian Athletic Conference basketball schedule up for this season: http://www.auyellowjackets.com/schedule/0/1.php

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Inkblot View Post

                    Interesting. Meanwhile, Allen has an Appalachian Athletic Conference basketball schedule up for this season: http://www.auyellowjackets.com/schedule/0/1.php
                    First I read that Allen is a new member even though no one has seen the press release about it- now they have an AAC schedule up? Vince Lombardi would like to know what the hell is going on out there!

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                    • #11
                      Allen finally makes an official announcement.

                      THE YELLOW JACKETS WILL RE-JOIN THE SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE (SIAC)

                      Allen University (AU) has officially re-joined the SIAC. The unanimous vote of the Council of Presidents to admit Allen is a bi-product of the NCAA membership committee's decision to admit Allen University as year-one provisional member of the NCAA. Allen University was once a powerhouse in the SIAC during its membership from 1947-1968. Many alumni remember the time fondly and are excited to see the football program being restored to the status it once had. The University is excited to join the SIAC and looks forward to not only the healthy competition to come, but the caliber of students to compete. With a dedicated athletics staff and a healthy pool of student-athletes, the institution is well on its way to an athletic renaissance. Allen sponsors thirteen intercollegiate programs. Affectionately referred to as the Yellow Jackets, student-athletes compete in men's football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's cross country, men's and women's track & field, and women's volleyball, women's softball, men's soccer and men's wrestling.
                      No year of when they join is stated but based on the information above in the SIAC Return to Play release and the wording in this release by Allen indicates AU is already a current SIAC member. The SIAC site has not been updated to show any membership changes. It would also be nice if the SIAC made an official statement on the status of Paine College.

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                      Note: error in the Allen statement; "men's soccer" should be "women's soccer".
                      Last edited by Tech Boys; 11-09-2020, 11:58 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                        Allen finally makes an official announcement.



                        No year of when they join is stated but based on the information above in the SIAC Return to Play release and the wording in this release by Allen indicates AU is already a current SIAC member. The SIAC site has not been updated to show any membership changes. It would also be nice if the SIAC made an official statement on the status of Paine College.

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                        Note: error in the Allen statement; "men's soccer" should be "women's soccer".
                        Meanwhile, Augusta National just made this announcement regarding Paine:

                        At a press conference at Augusta National, Ridley revealed the creation of the Lee Elder Scholarships at Paine College, a Historically Black College and University located in Augusta. Two scholarships will be awarded annually, one each to a student athlete who competes on the men’s and women’s golf team.

                        As part of this effort, Augusta National also will fund the creation of a women’s golf program at Paine College. Soon, the Lee Elder Scholarships will help foster opportunities for Black men and women alike as they pursue their dreams on and off the course.

                        “We would like to thank our friends at Paine College, especially President Dr. Cheryl Evans Jones, who immediately embraced the idea of honoring Lee Elder together,” Ridley said. “Through this partnership, we look forward to further cultivating our relationship with Paine College, helping the school create its first women’s golf program and celebrating Lee Elder’s distinguished legacy through these scholarships.”

                        “Augusta National Golf Club has been a supporter of Paine College for many years, and we are excited to build an even closer relationship through the game of golf,” Dr. Jones said. “The endowed Lee Elder Scholarships and creation of a women’s golf program are now a permanent example of the Club’s investment in our institution and will open doors for our students for years to come. We appreciate receiving this support and recognition and look forward to working with Augusta National on initiatives that will positively impact everyone affiliated with Paine College.”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                          Allen finally makes an official announcement.



                          No year of when they join is stated but based on the information above in the SIAC Return to Play release and the wording in this release by Allen indicates AU is already a current SIAC member. The SIAC site has not been updated to show any membership changes. It would also be nice if the SIAC made an official statement on the status of Paine College.

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                          Note: error in the Allen statement; "men's soccer" should be "women's soccer".
                          Also... Allen no longer has a full Appalachian Athletic Conference basketball schedule posted. They now have 7 games listed: 3 against AAC schools and home-and-homes with the two independent NAIA HBCUs in South Carolina. http://www.auyellowjackets.com/schedule/0/1.php

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                          • #14
                            I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see this ending well for Allen. Tiny is an understatement for that school, and if you have ever been to Columbia, SC you will see that the school literally has no room to grow with Benedict across the street, Five Points, USC, and Government buildings surrounding the rest of the campus.

                            Now they have added all these sports over the past couple of years with no real funding potential or marketability for casual fans. Benedict isn't exactly drawing huge numbers, and if anybody in Columbia is craving an HBCU football game they'd rather just make the short trip to Orangeburg to see SC State play. Hopefully they'll have some luck at least turning a Benedict v. Allen matchup into a decent revenue generator.

                            I have a feeling that Allen will just be the next Stillman or Paine.

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