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  • #16
    Originally posted by champgymusa View Post
    November 15, 2020
    Contact: Lynn Sutfin, 517-241-2112

    LANSING, MICH. The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) issued a new emergency order today that enacts a three-week pause targeting indoor social gatherings and other group activities in an effort to curb rapidly rising COVID-19 infection rates.

    Under this order, indoor residential gatherings are limited to two households at any one time. However, MDHHS strongly urges families to pick a single other household to interact with over the next three weeks, consistent with new guidance released by the department. The order is aimed at limiting residential and non-residential gatherings where COVID-19 spreads rapidly. Bars and restaurants will be open for outdoor dining, carry-out and delivery only. Gyms will remain open for individual exercise with strict safety measures in place. Casinos, movie theaters and group exercise classes will be closed. Professional and college sports meeting extraordinary standards for risk mitigation may continue without spectators, however all other organized sports must stop. Colleges and high schools may proceed with remote learning, but must end in-person classes.

    Nope Kle was right...they are not closed...they just cant serve food or open their bar inside....and yes...ANY IDIOT owner should be able to run a business well and stay open at say...4-8% of usual volume...its simple...you get your rent reduced, your insurance reduced, your electric and gas reduced....just curious Kle...where does one apply for all that? I assume you have run many successful business ventures in your time to be able to come on here and tell us how simple it is...how is your theater doing? Your gym? I dont think you own a casino but if you did how thats working out? Now in all fairness we have lost 92% of our household income during the shut down...so yea...I am not thrilled about it...but have I followed every rule to the t? F yes I have...and I will do what ever the governor asks of me...she is in charge...do I agree with her all the time? nope...but do I have a better plan? Nope...so...maybe I am wrong but when a business is closed, its bad news....sorry if my facts are not 100% straight like yours are...have a Merry Christmas and I will see you all in the fall of 2021 IF we have football...at this point I hope and pray we do...but given the facts that many folks are saying no to the vaccine I am really starting to have doubts. Hopefully I am wrong as usual. Still time to get your donation in for 2020 Kle....
    Again, as I already mentioned, nobody here was discussing anything but restaurants and eateries. If you want to have a discussion on anything besides restaurants and eateries, we can. But that's not what this discussion was about. As it says here:

    Bars and restaurants will be open for outdoor dining, carry-out and delivery only.
    Not "ordered closed" or given "closing orders". They can still operate. If they get less customers as a result, that's not the state's fault. That's the customers' fault for not choosing to go out and give their patronage.

    Have you thought about what restaurants and bars would look like even if there were zero restrictions at all? It's not going to look any different than it does now. There's still going to be 60% of their customers who take it upon themselves to not visit a high-risk place.

    I've helped run two different bowling alleys if you want to really get in to. It sucks for them. But it is also necessary for public health, as it is an enclosed, indoor space that universally has poor circulation of new air. A very important part of keeping people healthy in this situation. So you're right. It absolutely sucks for them. But that is not the governor's fault or the state health department's fault. It is the government's fault as a whole that those businesses are not given the proper support in this situation and instead the help is going to the already-rich and large corporations who don't need the help rather than the businesses that absolutely are not able to operate.

    Bars and restaurants keep being brought up. They can still operate, as noted above.

    My singular issue with your statement is you referring to restaurants and eateries being subject to "closing orders" when they're not. They are able to operate in many different ways still. If customers choose not to give their patronage, that's not the state's fault. The customers wouldn't be going there whether there were restrictions or not.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

      Again, as I already mentioned, nobody here was discussing anything but restaurants and eateries. If you want to have a discussion on anything besides restaurants and eateries, we can. But that's not what this discussion was about. As it says here:



      Not "ordered closed" or given "closing orders". They can still operate. If they get less customers as a result, that's not the state's fault. That's the customers' fault for not choosing to go out and give their patronage.

      Have you thought about what restaurants and bars would look like even if there were zero restrictions at all? It's not going to look any different than it does now. There's still going to be 60% of their customers who take it upon themselves to not visit a high-risk place.

      I've helped run two different bowling alleys if you want to really get in to. It sucks for them. But it is also necessary for public health, as it is an enclosed, indoor space that universally has poor circulation of new air. A very important part of keeping people healthy in this situation. So you're right. It absolutely sucks for them. But that is not the governor's fault or the state health department's fault. It is the government's fault as a whole that those businesses are not given the proper support in this situation and instead the help is going to the already-rich and large corporations who don't need the help rather than the businesses that absolutely are not able to operate.

      Bars and restaurants keep being brought up. They can still operate, as noted above.

      My singular issue with your statement is you referring to restaurants and eateries being subject to "closing orders" when they're not. They are able to operate in many different ways still. If customers choose not to give their patronage, that's not the state's fault. The customers wouldn't be going there whether there were restrictions or not.
      Well since you have helped run two bowling alleys I will defer to your vast business knowledge...see in the fall...maybe...by the way there is still time to donate to D2 in 2020...hate to see your streak end....

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      • #18
        Originally posted by champgymusa View Post

        Well since you have helped run two bowling alleys I will defer to your vast business knowledge...see in the fall...maybe...by the way there is still time to donate to D2 in 2020...hate to see your streak end....
        How 'bout you stop trying to patronize me and suggest I'm some kind of lesser person than you for not having donated yet? Worry about your own backyard.

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        • #19
          Trail Point brewing is down the street from campus and makes some excellent beer! No food though, you have to bring your own.

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