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I should have private messaged him. And I'll do that.
Last edited by UIndyFootball; 04-18-2021, 04:55 PM.
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Originally posted by Uindy18 View Post
KWC and TNU are much like NDC. I think over time they will both find other conferences that work better for them. I think NDC will eventually decide that GMAC will make more sense for them.
As for Northwood, the addition is always rumored but makes little to no sense to me.
As for Uindy, I would only see them moving over if something happens within the GLVC or if the GMAC adds within Indiana. Right now, Indianapolis is on an island in either conference.
Not that I would want them back, but since we're speculating...The MEC could bring back Seton Hill witch would give NDC three dance partners within 150 miles. Heck, for that matter the MEC could bring back Seton Hill and Bluefield State and add Central State, end their relationship with UNCP and split into 7 team MEC North and MEC South! That would really reduce NDC's driving distance AND give them OOC opportunities to play the close by GMAC schools if they wished!!
Said it before but I'll say it again, the most logical thing would be for the MEC and GMAC to merge and form one conf with an east and west division...Call it the Great Mountain East Conf with east and West divisions...East mostly MEC schools and the West most of the GMAC teams. That would be a heck of a football AND basketball conference!
And the clock keeps ticking.Last edited by boatcapt; 04-14-2021, 02:17 PM.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Folks have been speculating about KWC and TNU bring "invited to leave" the GMAC for years. As with the speculation about NDC joining the GMAC, it just never amounts to anything. As I said, UIndy and Northwood, while a bit closer than KWC and TNU, are still over 300 miles from NDC.
While Central and NDC are clearly different, what they share is being a DII in Ohio. So if people truely want an All Ohio DII conference, they should be in the discussion.. in fact,, if travel distance is such an important factor,, they seem to be an ideal fit.
As for Northwood, the addition is always rumored but makes little to no sense to me.
As for Uindy, I would only see them moving over if something happens within the GLVC or if the GMAC adds within Indiana. Right now, Indianapolis is on an island in either conference.
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Originally posted by Uindy18 View Post
Ya, I am familiar with Central State. I just know that being an HBCU in an HBCU conference, they will not really be interested in rejoining (much like Kentucky State in KY). Additionally, Central State really had a messy exit out of the GMAC (large number of rules violations) and doubt they would be invited back.
I would assume the thought process for NDC moving to the GMAC would be something like this:
1. Lowered Travel Costs (increased effectiveness in KWC and TNU end up going elsewhere)
2. Private School in private school conference
3. Comparable Competition Fit
4. Either forgiving or forgetting about what issue became the principal issue as to why they left the original GMAC discussions
While Central and NDC are clearly different, what they share is being a DII in Ohio. So if people truely want an All Ohio DII conference, they should be in the discussion.. in fact,, if travel distance is such an important factor,, they seem to be an ideal fit.
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Originally posted by Columbuseer View PostQuestion about travel costs
I was thinking that fuel costs are not a reason to change conferences. However, overnight accommodations are much more significant. Is Concord the only overnight trip for ndc?
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Question about travel costs
I was thinking that fuel costs are not a reason to change conferences. However, overnight accommodations are much more significant. Is Concord the only overnight trip for ndc?
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Often "forgotten" in the Ohio conference discussion is Central State. If the desire is to become the de facto DII conference of Ohio, I would think there would be some desire to bring them in. Seems like the NDC to the GMAC discussion now centers on travel budget. Sure, there are schools that are close to NDC but as you point out, there are also conference outliers in KWC and TNU. I'd also note that the "other" schools often rumored on this board to be joining the GMAC, UIndy and Northwood, are over 300 miles from NDC so it's not like there are next door travel wise.
I would assume the thought process for NDC moving to the GMAC would be something like this:
1. Lowered Travel Costs (increased effectiveness in KWC and TNU end up going elsewhere)
2. Private School in private school conference
3. Comparable Competition Fit
4. Either forgiving or forgetting about what issue became the principal issue as to why they left the original GMAC discussionsLast edited by Uindy18; 04-14-2021, 08:16 AM.
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Originally posted by Uindy18 View Post
Fair point. I am not going to claim that they are leaving tomorrow, but I have to think eventually the travel savings math will end up pushing them towards the GMAC in the end. Especially since the addition of Ashland, I think the future of the GMAC is to become the de facto conference of Ohio. NDC is the final outlier. I would bet if a new administration comes in that was uninvolved with the original GMAC founding discussions and if the KWC/TNU side of the GMAC decide to go elsewhere, NDC will eventually move over. Whether that happens tomorrow or a decade from now, who knows? But I think it will happen eventually.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
The thought process seems to be that NDC is happy playing in the MEC. I recall a couple of comments from the NDC AD saying how happy they were with the MEC and being a member of the conference.
There has been a lot of traffic over the years about NDC's supposed desire to move to the GMAC to be one with their Ohio "bretheran." Any number of senarios have been posted from "NDC's move to the GMAC is going to be announces at the upcoming conference meeting" all the way to some sort of "prisoner swap" were the GMAC and MEC had supposedly agreed to swap AB and Ohio Valley for NDC (again, to be announced "any day now"). Seems like all these supposed "heard it from a source" posts have been little more that exercises in a fertile imagination.
While NDC (or any school for that matter) doesn't generally make comments about their "happiness" in a particular conference, I would say that their staying in the MEC for all these years now speaks volumes about their intent. Sure, somthing may change in the future, but it seems pretty clear that right now and probably for the foreseable future, NDC is staying in the MEC.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Guess the desire for an All Ohio DII sports conference will never die in the hearts of some posters but it's pretty clear that a number of the key schools in the discussion, and the conference itself, have moved on.
Looking forward to hearing the same rumors of an All Ohio conference next year!!
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Originally posted by Uindy18 View PostI would love to know what the current thought process is for NDC in regards to staying in the MEC over moving over to the GMAC. I know something happened in those early discussions that made NDC not want to be included with the founding GMAC schools, but the world will probably never know what.
There has been a lot of traffic over the years about NDC's supposed desire to move to the GMAC to be one with their Ohio "bretheran." Any number of senarios have been posted from "NDC's move to the GMAC is going to be announces at the upcoming conference meeting" all the way to some sort of "prisoner swap" were the GMAC and MEC had supposedly agreed to swap AB and Ohio Valley for NDC (again, to be announced "any day now"). Seems like all these supposed "heard it from a source" posts have been little more that exercises in a fertile imagination.
While NDC (or any school for that matter) doesn't generally make comments about their "happiness" in a particular conference, I would say that their staying in the MEC for all these years now speaks volumes about their intent. Sure, somthing may change in the future, but it seems pretty clear that right now and probably for the foreseable future, NDC is staying in the MEC.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
I have known about that desire for a long time. A "couple of years" sounded like a new development.
Guess the desire for an All Ohio DII sports conference will never die in the hearts of some posters but it's pretty clear that a number of the key schools in the discussion, and the conference itself, have moved on.
Looking forward to hearing the same rumors of an All Ohio conference next year!!
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Originally posted by ESU Warrior View Post
That was my understanding. They weren't competing with the big dawgs, and Gannon is still a bottom feeder. Hurst has done well. I can not speak on many other schools because of my lack of knowledge, but I was told those two schools were vying for acceptance into the PSAC for years, but because they were private the PSAC said no until they lifted their mandate.
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