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  • libertybearcat
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    Originally posted by Brandon View Post

    Absolutely. It's the closest we can come without spending thousands of dollars in research and FOI filings.
    So, you're saying you're working on that? :D

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  • Brandon
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    Thanks for the fun research Hornetfan.

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  • Brandon
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    Originally posted by Hornetfan View Post
    I assume you got your figures from the Equity in Athletics site? The most important thing to remember about that site is that not all schools report the same way
    Absolutely. It's the closest we can come without spending thousands of dollars in research and FOI filings.

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  • Brandon
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    Originally posted by GrifFan View Post

    Without looking, my guess would be these are full-time equivalent, rather than total head count, so 2 or 3 part-time students (or more) would only count as one FTE.
    I believe that is correct.

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  • Hornetfan
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    The site that was used for the figures is pretty cool and you can do a lot of stuff with it.
    I went through and collected football expenses for all 12 MIAA schools from 2014-17. I used those years because they were the most recent ones and I started at 2014 since that is when we started playing a full silo schedule.
    If I figured things correctly here is the cost per win over that time:
    School Cost/win
    UCO 29,198.77
    NWMSU 29,903.39
    ESU 30,965.28
    MWSU 31,309.67
    PSU 32,183.22
    WU 33,173.57
    UCM 42,016.35
    FHSU 52,397.21
    MSSU 97,212.71
    UNK 114,082.29
    LWU 120,450.58
    NSU 195,363.00
    And here are the total wins in that time
    School Wins
    NWMSU 49
    FHSU 34
    UCM 34
    ESU 32
    PSU 32
    UCO 26
    WU 23
    MWSU 21
    LWU 12
    UNK 7
    MSSU 7
    NSU 6
    Again I realize that the way the numbers are used for each school are different but it looks to me like NWMSU, ESU and PSU are the only teams that averaged at least seven wins a game over that four year period and spent less than $40,000 per win to get there.

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  • Hornetfan
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    One other thing I didn't add - it looks like the data that Brandon used is from 2017 - which is the most recent data available. If I recall correctly the information has to be submitted by October 31 of the following year. That way you have a full school year to work with all sports and I think most schools work on a July to June fiscal year.

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  • Hornetfan
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    I assume you got your figures from the Equity in Athletics site? The most important thing to remember about that site is that not all schools report the same way.

    An example of expenses would be security at games. One school could count that as a football expense, another could see it as a department expense (not allocated by Gender/Sport in the report), and another one could see it as a university expense (wouldn't show up at all in this report).

    Another could be "multi-use" facilities. I'm not saying they are but the big indoor facilities like at Pitt State, MWSU, NWMSU could all be counted differently in the expenses. One place could break it down by percentage of use by each sport, one could divide it evenly by every program, one could just say that it's the general responsibility of the department, or one could say that it's a partnership with another entity and not even report that expense.

    Another area that could make a difference is how scholarships are counted. There are some waivers that might need to be accounted for when reporting to the NCAA but maybe not to this report since they would not be actual cash involved.

    And like Brandon said there could be one time expenditures that skew the data - like UCO's endzone facility that he mentioned.

    Overall it's probably the best place to find this kind of information but you need to remember that not everything is created equal.

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  • GrifFan
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    Originally posted by catbacker07 View Post

    For sure. I was just shocked because I didn’t realize there were that many grad students at NW. Of the 7k+ students, I thought there were only about 1500 grads.
    Without looking, my guess would be these are full-time equivalent, rather than total head count, so 2 or 3 part-time students (or more) would only count as one FTE.

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  • Brandon
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    Originally posted by HookemHerd View Post

    So what is included in operating budget? This has to be a “reporting error.” NW doesn’t seem to skimp on anything, never seem understaffed at events.
    You mean like gameday stuff?

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  • Predatory Primates
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    Originally posted by Brandon View Post

    Things like hotels, meals, buses, etc.
    Gotcha. Like consumables.

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  • voicefromthestands
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    How does Booster Club money figure in on these figures ?

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  • HookemHerd
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    Originally posted by Brandon View Post

    That's the operating budget.

    Does not include coaches' salaries, scholarships, etc.

    I think Northwest was next on the list after Emporia.
    So what is included in operating budget? This has to be a “reporting error.” NW doesn’t seem to skimp on anything, never seem understaffed at events.

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  • Brandon
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    Originally posted by northwest missouri state View Post
    co has an $18 mill budget and doesn’t crack the top 5 for fb expenses....

    i’m confused
    I bet the reason their number is so high that year was a donation for the endzone facility.

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  • northwest missouri state
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    co has an $18 mill budget and doesn’t crack the top 5 for fb expenses....

    i’m confused

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  • Brandon
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    Originally posted by Predatory Primates View Post

    That's what I'm asking. Does it say somewhere what the football expense monies include?

    Sorry if it's a dumb question, I don't know much about how schools report other than I have heard that none are the same.
    Things like hotels, meals, buses, etc.

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