Northwest Missouri State hires John McMenamin

[OldSchoolBearcat]

The story I read on Boda at Tulane was that they brought him and another guy in at the same time, but went with the other guy's offensive system as it was more what Fritz had in mind as an O philosophy. Not sure how involved Boda was after that, but I assume he still played a role in running the O and scouting.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/403...svoboda-nagle/

This story.

Nagle took over as the designer and play caller. But to think Svoboda (who coaches QBs as well) and McMenamin (a WR coach) don't participate in the offense is non-sensical. Like they pay two guys 200K+ to just shut up and do what they are told. That's not how coaching works. It's a collaborative effort. Nagle had the final say and definitely conceptually designed the offense, but the other two weren't just GA's hanging out.

[northwest missouri state]

I love what AD did for Northwest. Watched him as a player and as a coach. That being said, if believed in what NW is about and truly wanted to be here, he would have been. He didn't really want it that badly. Which is completely fine, he owes Northwest nothing. I think the school had a part in who he is (as they do with a lot of people) but he's given back a TON.

That being said it was not in the cards for him and his personal situation. Cool. As fans, I am not sure why we are sulking and upset about 1 man's choice. Don't kid yourself, it was a choice and he chose to not be a part of the community again. The "reasons" given are simply justifications for the choice he made. All of them, with some success, would be easily overcome. Whomever brings Bearcat football back to the top (if it happens) will be the King of Campus and probably has a LOT of leeway.

What we do have is a guy in Coach McMenamin who wants to be here. Wants to embrace our community and is looking to do whatever he can to make us successful again. As a fan, I want the guy that's all in and not the guy with conditions. Coach JM (am I doing that right around here or is HCJM) has been at multiple levels, know what it takes to be successful, and can figure out what's happened in the 2 years since he stopped coaching football. He's in his 40's not his 60's. This thread is full of people whining about what we don't have and someone that didn't want to be apart of what we are doing. In fact, he chose to openly work against the community pining and sad he's not going to return.

that’s a shallow framing of the situation that ignores the reality of competing for top talent. championship-level coaches like ad have options, & any institution serious about success has to demonstrate a commitment to earning their employment frankly - it's delusional to expect that love of alma mater would necessarily outweigh all practical considerations - if any of those rumors are even true.

hopefully jmac knocks it out of the park for all of our sakes & this issue becomes a distant memory.

[Bearcat06]

I love what AD did for Northwest. Watched him as a player and as a coach.

I watched him playing football in my backyard.....just saying.

That being said, if believed in what NW is about and truly wanted to be here, he would have been. He didn't really want it that badly.

He interviewed.....had several requirements to come back.....NW/Andy said not going to happen.... and he opted to stay where he's at.

He'd probably still be here if Dr. J wasn't an a**hole to him. Blame his departure all on Dr. J.

[NWFanatic]

JMac’s 1st game will be @ Mankato 08/28

[ZubCat81]

He interviewed.....had several requirements to come back.....NW/Andy said not going to happen.... and he opted to stay where he's at.
He'd probably still be here if Dr. J wasn't an a**hole to him. Blame his departure all on Dr. J.

Makes me wonder if that being true and AD was still here ... and never made the move to ACU ... where would Lambo be today? Remind me again of his accomplishments coaching at SE Oklahoma and his two seasons as HC at UNK before AD took Lambo with him as his OC to ACU? Happy for Lambo today, but would still have loved to see what would have happened with that season 3 at UNK.

[Kiss My Ass]

Makes me wonder if that being true and AD was still here ... and never made the move to ACU ... where would Lambo be today? Remind me again of his accomplishments coaching at SE Oklahoma and his two seasons as HC at UNK before AD took Lambo with him as his OC to ACU? Happy for Lambo today, but would still have loved to see what would have happened with that season 3 at UNK.

You left out 2010 - 2014 when Lambo was the OC and Recruiting Coordinator for coach Boda at UCM.

[Alfred33]

JMac’s 1st game will be @ Mankato 08/28

I guess that's a good thing that came out of the Rich Wright tenure. Now that we have open weeks, it shouldn't be so hard to schedule an opponent, and we're not so far removed, that beating "Northwest Missouri State" on paper still looks like an accomplishment to the schools that do it. This is sarcasm... kind of.

[NWFanatic]

Is NW only playing 10 games this fall? Looks like Mankato may be the only non-con game

[northwest missouri state]

where is the 25 schedule posted

[NWFanatic]

where is the 25 schedule posted

https://themiaa.com/

[libertybearcat]

Is NW only playing 10 games this fall? Looks like Mankato may be the only non-con game

I don't know that I'd consider that to be final until NW releases their schedule on the NW site. Seems like they wait until the schedule is finalized before posting it. The MIAA site could just be posting what they know.

[OldSchoolBearcat]

that’s a shallow framing of the situation that ignores the reality of competing for top talent. championship-level coaches like ad have options, & any institution serious about success has to demonstrate a commitment to earning their employment frankly - it's delusional to expect that love of alma mater would necessarily outweigh all practical considerations - if any of those rumors are even true.

hopefully jmac knocks it out of the park for all of our sakes & this issue becomes a distant memory.

I think his tenure as head coach of NW skews most people's ability to look at him objectively. He has an outstanding record as NW's head coach. But he also had the best DC in the country coaching for him. Since he left NW, his record as a coach is 41-45. I understand he finally got UCO back to the playoffs, but was also run out of the playoffs. Had he had a performance like that here, our fans would be seething, not just happy to be back in the playoffs.

I don't want to sound like a detractor, because as a fan, I am so appreciative of what AD provided us. But, AD also benefited from some things that would no longer be available in this job this time around. That's the prestige of the program isn't what it once was when convincing talent to come to Maryville. He benefited off Mel's success and Rich's ability to build a defense. To say otherwise is short sighted.

Even last year, UCO had tough games against Washburn, NE Ok, Missouri Western. It isn't like that team was some juggernaut that's cracked the code of how to bring talent to a college.

Also, it's just speculation at best that NW isn't committed to the football program. Because the AD didn't want to fire himself or the President wasn't willing to fire the AD, then we aren't committed to football? I am not sure how many CEO's can come in say, I will come here if you fire the Chairman of the Board. Some may have the cache to pull that off, but they better be the BEST at what they do. I don't think AD's non-NW tenure has proven that, if you are being objective.

[northwest missouri state]

I think his tenure as head coach of NW skews most people's ability to look at him objectively. He has an outstanding record as NW's head coach. But he also had the best DC in the country coaching for him. Since he left NW, his record as a coach is 41-45. I understand he finally got UCO back to the playoffs, but was also run out of the playoffs. Had he had a performance like that here, our fans would be seething, not just happy to be back in the playoffs.

I don't want to sound like a detractor, because as a fan, I am so appreciative of what AD provided us. But, AD also benefited from some things that would no longer be available in this job this time around. That's the prestige of the program isn't what it once was when convincing talent to come to Maryville. He benefited off Mel's success and Rich's ability to build a defense. To say otherwise is short sighted.

Even last year, UCO had tough games against Washburn, NE Ok, Missouri Western. It isn't like that team was some juggernaut that's cracked the code of how to bring talent to a college.

Also, it's just speculation at best that NW isn't committed to the football program. Because the AD didn't want to fire himself or the President wasn't willing to fire the AD, then we aren't committed to football? I am not sure how many CEO's can come in say, I will come here if you fire the Chairman of the Board. Some may have the cache to pull that off, but they better be the BEST at what they do. I don't think AD's non-NW tenure has proven that, if you are being objective.

here's where you lose me (bolded) taking his performance at uco thus far out of context or at least not considering it relative to what he inherited in addition to what he did here. uco was in the toilet when they hired him as i presume you know. we are not where they were but are closer than we'd like to admit. at this point, were he hired here, i'm confident if he achieved that output in yr 3 here on the reboot he'd be lauded as we'd appear to be moving in the right direction, same as uco appears to be at the moment.

as for his tenure at acu, unless we're going d1, who cares in light of his rebuild at uco b/c at the moment it seems to be evidence that the man's a really good division 2 football coach. it seems like you're for whatever reason still framing the discussion to marginalize dorrel........carefully.

sign me up for anyone good enough to win the league. hopefully that's jmac b/c we're tethered - none of this is really about him anyway as we dk what he's going to do here - it's really a discussion at the end of the day about the wisdom in doing what it takes (or not) to secure a relative known quantity to a lesser known one.

i got no problem with the rest of your reply & agree with some of it. the only thing i'd say about the last paragraph is it creates a situation where we're all going to look back with heightened scrutiny if this doesn't work out in light of the alleged possibilities.

[Predatory Primates]

I think his tenure as head coach of NW skews most people's ability to look at him objectively. He has an outstanding record as NW's head coach. But he also had the best DC in the country coaching for him. Since he left NW, his record as a coach is 41-45. I understand he finally got UCO back to the playoffs, but was also run out of the playoffs. Had he had a performance like that here, our fans would be seething, not just happy to be back in the playoffs.

I don't want to sound like a detractor, because as a fan, I am so appreciative of what AD provided us. But, AD also benefited from some things that would no longer be available in this job this time around. That's the prestige of the program isn't what it once was when convincing talent to come to Maryville. He benefited off Mel's success and Rich's ability to build a defense. To say otherwise is short sighted.

Even last year, UCO had tough games against Washburn, NE Ok, Missouri Western. It isn't like that team was some juggernaut that's cracked the code of how to bring talent to a college.

Also, it's just speculation at best that NW isn't committed to the football program. Because the AD didn't want to fire himself or the President wasn't willing to fire the AD, then we aren't committed to football? I am not sure how many CEO's can come in say, I will come here if you fire the Chairman of the Board. Some may have the cache to pull that off, but they better be the BEST at what they do. I don't think AD's non-NW tenure has proven that, if you are being objective.

That's an odd take. I think he has.proven he can elevate a good program at nw, and is well on his way to proving he can build a program from the ground up at UCO.

[OldSchoolBearcat]

here's where you lose me (bolded) taking his performance at uco thus far out of context or at least not considering it relative to what he inherited in addition to what he did here. uco was in the toilet when they hired him as i presume you know. we are not where they were but are closer than we'd like to admit. at this point, were he hired here, i'm confident if he achieved that output in yr 3 here on the reboot he'd be lauded as we'd appear to be moving in the right direction, same as uco appears to be at the moment.

as for his tenure at acu, unless we're going d1, who cares in light of his rebuild at uco b/c at the moment it seems to be evidence that the man's a really good division 2 football coach. it seems like you're for whatever reason still framing the discussion to marginalize dorrel........carefully.

sign me up for anyone good enough to win the league. hopefully that's jmac b/c we're tethered - none of this is really about him anyway as we dk what he's going to do here - it's really a discussion at the end of the day about the wisdom in doing what it takes (or not) to secure a relative known quantity to a lesser known one.

i got no problem with the rest of your reply & agree with some of it. the only thing i'd say about the last paragraph is it creates a situation where we're all going to look back with heightened scrutiny if this doesn't work out in light of the alleged possibilities.

I guess I don't have the same lense as others when it comes to AD and his accomplishments. Three National Championship runs are amazing along with other successful teams. But he fine tuned a machine built by Mel and had arguably one of the best defensive coordinators in the country that stayed on for his entire tenure. People forget just how strong the defense was and I don't think AD had a lot to do with that. So he did an amazing job when at Northwest, but also benefited from some other factors.

His record outside of those factors, is less than .500 to this point. He had a good, not great, year last year. His team won all of their "toss up" games, which can happen, but you can't count on that either. Could have had as many as 4 losses and no playoffs. UCO has nice facilities and sits in a hotbed of talent, so again, he's got some things going his way. I am not so sure he's the same guy he used to be either. I have heard that success had gone to his head some and he's not the same hardworking and humble guy he used to be. That tracks with trying to get an Athletic Director fired as part of your conditions for employment. Everyone is quick to bag on Peterson. I don't know him at all or his track record, but again, you better be an extra special coach to name your own boss. I am not sure there are many D2 coaches worth that. It's not like we are bringing in an elite D1 coach.