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  • #91
    Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

    Originally posted by Brandon View Post
    I did some research on the football playing NAIA schools in the western part of the country.

    Institution ............... City ........................ Pop ....... Enroll ... Budget ........ No. Sports

    Montana-Northern .... Haure, MT ............. 9,846 ........ 892 ..... $2,193, 509 .... 11
    Carroll College ......... Helena, MT .......... 31,169 ...... 1,317 ..... $6,328, 947 .... 11
    Montana Tech .......... Butte, MT ............ 36,400 ...... 1,672 ..... $3,480,671 ....... 6
    Montana Western ..... Dillon, MT ............. 4,134 ...... 1,230 ..... $2,437,890 ....... 8
    Rocky Mountain ....... Billings, MT ........ 169,676 ......... 857 ..... $5,229,931 ..... 12
    College of Idaho ...... Caldwell, ID ......... 46,237 ......... 918 ..... $4,208,119 ..... 17
    Southern Oregon ..... Asland, OR .......... 21,000 ....... 3,507 .... $4,679,483 ...... 15
    Menlo .................... Atherton, CA ......... 7,159 .......... 760 ..... $8,397,827 ..... 13
    Arizona Christian ..... Phoenix, AZ .... 1,612,678 .......... 651 ..... $3,865,767 ..... 16
    Great info, thanks, Brandon. Some schools could make a jump -- Carroll, for example -- others would struggle. I'm not against NAIA and actually enjoyed NAIA athletics when I was in college. The old Columbia Football Association in the Northwest had all these privates and publics mixed together for football and it worked well with WOU making a 25-mile road trip to Linfield, a 15-mile road trip to Willamette, an hour trip to Lewis & Clark, etc.; and the Washington schools weren't that far.

    CWU and WOU started getting better in the mid-80's or so, bigger players, and so forth, especially CWU. The drubbings against Whitworth, Lewis & Clark, Puget Sound, were getting big and lopsided and the privates wanted out. Traditional power Linfield held their own against everyone, but they align themselves with their private school neighbors. The term "like-minded institution" became popular, as if WOU, SOU, and EOU, didn't belong on the same field as the private schools, and in turn there's this underlying thought that the students at the state colleges weren't as smart or elite as the private school kids. The private schools took their ball and went home, obliterating the Columbia Football Association. Today, I'm not sure that was a good thing, substituting Linfield for Carson-Newman or in Linfield's case, Mary Hardin-Baylor on the schedule.

    WOU went NAIA for awhile and looked at the options. They wanted to follow what CWU and WWU were doing and at the time, Chico and Hayward had football programs, and UC Davis was still D2. The league looked stable, then Chico and Hayward dropped, enormous UC Davis rightfully joined D-1, and D2 schools were left scrambling. WWU's move to drop football just made things worse, and now Humboldt's crushing decision is equally foolish, IMO. Things would be easier if EOU and SOU went D2 and California State University schools had football, but this is the world we live in.

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    • #92
      Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

      Originally posted by tsull View Post
      LC State will stay NAIA, they host the NAIA World Series every year and usually win it and they draw well. They don't ever want to leave that. I grew up 30 miles from Lewiston and LCSC could cut all sports except baseball and the community would be good with it. They're staying NAIA.

      I don't see any Northwest/Frontier schools moving up to D2, they've had zillions of opportunities over the years to do so and have not moved. What you see is what you get. SOU people brag to WOU folks that, "We played and won the NAIA title game, what have you done?" EOU isn't set up for D2 at all; College of Idaho could make the move, especially with rival NNU 6 miles away, they have no desire to do so or they would've done so. No study, no committee to look into, nothing, they're staying. Carroll is playing Linfield in football this year, interesting because the NWC is known for shying away from any school with scholarships and Carroll has 24 schollies.

      I don't see any movement in the Northwest, unless it's a basketball only deal, which the GNAC doesn't need. They would've moved by now if they wanted to move.
      Another thing for LC State is how remote and hard it is to get into. Spokane, Pasco, Boise, where do you fly into for an easy drive? I don't really see any of these unless you charter into Lewiston. COI, Carroll, SOU, and even EOU have Interstates running through them (in EOU's case long way from nowhere and mountain passes to cross) and as such easier access than getting into Hell's Canyon. I'd definitely add that as a reason to stay where they are if they have no trouble finding games.

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      • #93
        Re: Humboldt State will discontinue after 2018 season

        [QUOTE=Ratpackjack;2235214]JackGnac should be interviewed before each home game and again at halftime to talk about Humboldt football. The history, tradition, and his colorful thoughts about the program ending and those who are in leadership roles at the present and in what manner they support Humboldt Football. That right there would be worth purchasing a ticket and coming out to the game.

        Make sure the band is tuned up!
        Last edited by Techster88; 07-28-2018, 08:04 PM.

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        • #94
          Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

          Originally posted by tsull View Post
          LSC going to 10 teams, they're not adding Azusa over on the West Coast. The RMAC is full -- where in the hell are you getting this?
          Probably wishful speculation. The four remaining GNAC Universities joining the LSC for football would be great for scheduling purposes. It could be a new & improved version of the Western Athletic Conf. Unfortunately the distance between the four remaining GNAC schools & LSC schools makes that idea unlikely.

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          • #95
            Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

            This may be heresy on the D2 GNAC board, but right now there are only two viable small college football conferences in the PNW. The NCAA D3 Northwest Conference which only accepts private schools and the NAIA Frontier Conference which has Southern and Eastern Oregon as members. Why wouldn't Western Oregon and Central Washington opt to go NAIA?

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            • #96
              Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

              Originally posted by Alan View Post
              This may be heresy on the D2 GNAC board, but right now there are only two viable small college football conferences in the PNW. The NCAA D3 Northwest Conference which only accepts private schools and the NAIA Frontier Conference which has Southern and Eastern Oregon as members. Why wouldn't Western Oregon and Central Washington opt to go NAIA?
              There is nothing wrong with the NAIA, but these schools clearly don't belong at the level.

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              • #97
                Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

                https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/...ion-then-admin

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                • #98
                  Re: Humboldt State will discontinue after 2018 season

                  Originally posted by Alan View Post
                  This may be heresy on the D2 GNAC board, but right now there are only two viable small college football conferences in the PNW. The NCAA D3 Northwest Conference which only accepts private schools and the NAIA Frontier Conference which has Southern and Eastern Oregon as members. Why wouldn't Western Oregon and Central Washington opt to go NAIA?
                  Both Central Washington and Western Oregon used to be NAIA. Both schools have outgrown that division. For Western Oregon, they had one of the top distance runners in America in any division last year. They've also been to the Final Four in men's basketball in the last couple years in D2. There's nothing wrong with NAIA, but CWU and Western Oregon have just outgrown it.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Humboldt State will discontinue after 2018 season

                    Originally posted by Michael Whitfield View Post
                    Probably wishful speculation. The four remaining GNAC Universities joining the LSC for football would be great for scheduling purposes. It could be a new & improved version of the Western Athletic Conf. Unfortunately the distance between the four remaining GNAC schools & LSC schools makes that idea unlikely.
                    Both conferences that you mentioned are working on a scheduling agreement right now for football.

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                    • Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

                      So reading those numbers it looks like Humboldt admin's gloom and doom was way off. They have the same analytics as most every other CSU school, and it appears they indeed had the money to fund football. :at-wits-end:

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                        • Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

                          Originally posted by tsull View Post
                          So reading those numbers it looks like Humboldt admin's gloom and doom was way off. They have the same analytics as most every other CSU school, and it appears they indeed had the money to fund football. :at-wits-end:
                          Sigh

                          "So you're at the top for paying administrators and the bottom for paying instructors," Bunsis said.

                          The report from Bunsis also claimed that while HSU said they were in deficit spending for the past several years, they actually had excess cash flow.

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                          • Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

                            Is Humboldt's football website accurate?? They show only 37 players on the roster and 3 of them are kickers and one other is listed only as a long snapper!! Only 3 Defensive linemen!!! Lots of coaches though!! Very Scary considering their schedule!!

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                            • Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

                              I hear they have 70. May not be entirely updated

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                              • Re: Humboldt State Football Entering Final Season

                                This article says "nearly 80": http://www.hsujacks.com/news/2018/8/...?path=football

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