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  • #76
    Re: Rivalry ?

    Originally posted by WT_ALUM08 View Post
    Apples and oranges. Two different conferences. Leach got a cupcake north schedule every other year, plus 1 less conference game, where Kliff faces everyone each season with an extra conference game. Overall Conference is much tougher now than during Leach's tenure. You replace Colorado with WVU, A&M with TCU. You lost Nebraska, but play an extra conference game each year to offset that. Plus the rise of Baylor, etc., etc., etc.
    You realize you are trying to compare a coach who only had 1 losing in Conference season and that was his first in 10 years to a coach that has never had a winning in conference season in 5 years?

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    • #77
      Re: Rivalry ?

      Leach had success because he brought a revolutionary new scheme to the Big 12. For a while it was indefensible. Now most of the Big 12 runs some variation of that scheme and defends it.

      As for coach versus coach, Leach is no football genius, but KK makes him look as one.

      Tech got swept up in the A&M hype when they caught lightning in a bottle for a season with Manziel. Suddenly Sumlin and anyone associated with him were hot commodities, including KK. As it turns out, it was just a one-year flash fire started by Johnny Football and there wasn't much substance there on the coaching front.

      Tech also got caught up in the "bring back a real Tech guy" syndrome. Schools often fall into this trap. There is an emotional attachment to anyone who played at the school and there is an idea that they have special Jedi powers to resurrect the program because "they get it." Added to that was KK's GQ cool factor, which was another hot fire that burned for a while.

      When you get rid of all that noise, he's a really poor coach.

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      • #78
        Re: Rivalry ?

        Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
        The Conference is weaker now than during Leach’s tenure. The North did get weaker after the initial startup. Nebraska and Colorado had solid programs. Mizzou was up and coming. A&M was solid at first but struggled later. Playoff Committee only looks at Blow U now. Different story when Big 12 was intact. There was credibility. WV and TCU are good pickups, but they do not carry the weight or stature of those 4 that left.

        If KK would’ve had to coach during that time my guess would’ve been either last or just above Baylor in Big 12 South every year.
        Yes , Colorado is a real powerhouse ????

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        • #79
          Re: Rivalry ?

          Originally posted by olebuff View Post
          Yes , Colorado is a real powerhouse ????
          In their last years of the Big 12 not-so-much. But I recall them laying the wood to most of the Big 12 teams here and there, including Tejas, Nebraska, OU, etc. And I think they've got a NC or two in their trophy case from not too many years ago.

          As a side note, the Big 12 was severely compromised when four flagship universities walked, regardless of how competitive any of those programs were in the specific year that they walked. You can't lose those types of schools and sub in TCU and West Virginia and call it good. The Big 12 is doing just OK financially in the big picture, but when Texas and OU eventually bolt for the B1G for the really major dollars, the Big 12 is going to be a Mountain West type league. It is only being propped up by TX and OU currently.

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          • #80
            Re: Rivalry ?

            Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
            Michael, Tech did play UNM for years. It was an awful one sided affair. Rarely was UNM competitive. NMSU and UTEP are the same distance as Norman and Stillwater. TCU in Ft Worth is the closest school to Tech.
            Yes, you are absolutely correct. The distances of these schools from Lubbock were negligible. I mentioned UTEP & NMSU as two non powerhouse Div I programs that the Red Raiders could probably defeat every year.

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            • #81
              Re: Rivalry ?

              Originally posted by WT_ALUM08 View Post
              In Michael's defense, when he was in school the world was flat, so calculated distances may have been different.
              Actually when I attended WT, the accepted premise was that planet earth was quite spherical. Seems to be substantial proof that was a quite accurate analysis, even today.

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              • #82
                Re: Rivalry ?

                Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
                Leach had success because he brought a revolutionary new scheme to the Big 12. For a while it was indefensible. Now most of the Big 12 runs some variation of that scheme and defends it.

                As for coach versus coach, Leach is no football genius, but KK makes him look as one.

                Tech got swept up in the A&M hype when they caught lightning in a bottle for a season with Manziel. Suddenly Sumlin and anyone associated with him were hot commodities, including KK. As it turns out, it was just a one-year flash fire started by Johnny Football and there wasn't much substance there on the coaching front.

                Tech also got caught up in the "bring back a real Tech guy" syndrome. Schools often fall into this trap. There is an emotional attachment to anyone who played at the school and there is an idea that they have special Jedi powers to resurrect the program because "they get it." Added to that was KK's GQ cool factor, which was another hot fire that burned for a while.

                When you get rid of all that noise, he's a really poor coach.
                Keep preaching, I couldn’t have said it better myself!

                As far as Leach goes it doesn’t really matter how he got the wins. He is a proven winner. Figures don’t lie liars figure. He has now taken a dog in Wash State and turned them into a winner. They have won 26 games over the last 3 years and have a 19-8 in Conference record in that same time frame. As far as who they play as my old DC used to say we can only play who is on our schedule. Leach may never win a conference or national title but it sure is fun to be in the mix and having a chance.

                KK could only dream of that kind of success. His coaching style is more akin to Dykes. His results reflect it also. Can’t believe AD wants to stomach another year of him.

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                • #83
                  Re: Rivalry ?

                  Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
                  Keep preaching, I couldn’t have said it better myself!

                  As far as Leach goes it doesn’t really matter how he got the wins. He is a proven winner. Figures don’t lie liars figure. He has now taken a dog in Wash State and turned them into a winner. They have won 26 games over the last 3 years and have a 19-8 in Conference record in that same time frame. As far as who they play as my old DC used to say we can only play who is on our schedule. Leach may never win a conference or national title but it sure is fun to be in the mix and having a chance.

                  KK could only dream of that kind of success. His coaching style is more akin to Dykes. His results reflect it also. Can’t believe AD wants to stomach another year of him.
                  KK saved his behind against Texas. He won't be the Tech coach going into 2019. I'll bet anyone a $100 bill on that right now.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Rivalry ?

                    The expectations for college football coaches now days is insane. Mark Ritch got fired with an 80% win percentage, he was respected on and off the field. Saban even publically commented on his firing. People act like its easy to get 8-10 wins a season in D1. Truth is its very very very hard.
                    That being said Kk needs to go!
                    I have fat thumbs sorry for typos!

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                    • #85
                      Re: Rivalry ?

                      Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
                      KK saved his behind against Texas. He won't be the Tech coach going into 2019. I'll bet anyone a $100 bill on that right now.
                      I'll take that action.

                      With his contract ending in 2020, I don't believe Tech is ignorant enough to spend that much $$ to buy out his contract. A replacement coach will have 3-4 bad seasons....plus if they go after a top coach that can get them contending in 3-4 years, it will cost them a fortune. ($50+ M)...and if that coach is under a current contract, they will have to buy it out.

                      I seriously do not see all that happening. Especially after the school (via donors) just spent almost $50M on that new sports performance center that opened in Oct.
                      Last edited by ASUPops; 07-10-2018, 09:09 PM.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Rivalry ?

                        Originally posted by ASUPops View Post
                        I'll take that action.

                        With his contract ending in 2020, I don't believe Tech is ignorant enough to spend that much $$ to buy out his contract. A replacement coach will have 3-4 bad seasons....plus if they go after a top coach that can get them contending in 3-4 years, it will cost them a fortune. ($50+ M)...and if that coach is under a current contract, they will have to buy it out.

                        I seriously do not see all that happening. Especially after the school (via donors) just spent almost $50M on that new sports performance center that opened in Oct.
                        Sounds like prosperity is just around the corner down in Lubbock!

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                        • #87
                          Re: Rivalry ?

                          Originally posted by ASUPops View Post
                          I'll take that action.

                          With his contract ending in 2020, I don't believe Tech is ignorant enough to spend that much $$ to buy out his contract. A replacement coach will have 3-4 bad seasons....plus if they go after a top coach that can get them contending in 3-4 years, it will cost them a fortune. ($50+ M)...and if that coach is under a current contract, they will have to buy it out.

                          I seriously do not see all that happening. Especially after the school (via donors) just spent almost $50M on that new sports performance center that opened in Oct.
                          Don't fool yourself, Tech has the money to get rid of KK yesterday. Herb is right that a lot of homer alums want their boy to make good. Problem is his inexperience and haughty attitude has already destroyed any chance of success at Tech. The word is out on him and his last recruiting class was one of the worst at Tech that I can ever remember. All of this is a result of what he has done to recruits and players that do not brown nose. Best example was Baker Mayfield, but there has been others. Another tank season which I firmly believe will happen this fall and he is going to be thrown overboard. There is too much dissension among major alums for him to hang on past that. Funny thing is, KK knows all this.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Rivalry ?

                            Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
                            Don't fool yourself, Tech has the money to get rid of KK yesterday. Herb is right that a lot of homer alums want their boy to make good. Problem is his inexperience and haughty attitude has already destroyed any chance of success at Tech. The word is out on him and his last recruiting class was one of the worst at Tech that I can ever remember. All of this is a result of what he has done to recruits and players that do not brown nose. Best example was Baker Mayfield, but there has been others. Another tank season which I firmly believe will happen this fall and he is going to be thrown overboard. There is too much dissension among major alums for him to hang on past that. Funny thing is, KK knows all this.
                            Hmmmmmm.........
                            https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...ormer-longhorn

                            https://247sports.com/Article/Analys...gan-119689716/

                            I guess we will see at the end of the year.

                            If you are so certain, I have more action available.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Rivalry ?

                              Originally posted by ASUPops View Post
                              Hmmmmmm.........
                              https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...ormer-longhorn

                              https://247sports.com/Article/Analys...gan-119689716/

                              I guess we will see at the end of the year.

                              If you are so certain, I have more action available.
                              Pops, love your zeal. These verbal commits are just that and they can change their minds. Behind the scenes what you won’t find on the internet is a lot of old money Tech alums who are at the end of the road with KK. Only reason he is still there is because of those inept shorthorns. Btw, they are more and more starting to resemble Nebraska. You know we are still a dominant force in college football although it’s been years since we’ve done anything. Cowboys with Lackey Garrett and Chump Jones fall into this category also. No, as much as I would like to see KK pull it off it’s not going to happen. Starting year six he is suddenly going to figure out how to win games. Hmmmm....how much do you have to watch of a game before you come to the conclusion it ain’t working? Another stat you won’t find on the internet is player turnover at Tech since he came aboard. Hard to develop players if they are gone. Finally, there have been quite a number of Tech players in trouble in local news. Laundry list goes on but you get the point.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Rivalry ?

                                Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
                                Pops, love your zeal. These verbal commits are just that and they can change their minds. Behind the scenes what you won’t find on the internet is a lot of old money Tech alums who are at the end of the road with KK. Only reason he is still there is because of those inept shorthorns. Btw, they are more and more starting to resemble Nebraska. You know we are still a dominant force in college football although it’s been years since we’ve done anything. Cowboys with Lackey Garrett and Chump Jones fall into this category also. No, as much as I would like to see KK pull it off it’s not going to happen. Starting year six he is suddenly going to figure out how to win games. Hmmmm....how much do you have to watch of a game before you come to the conclusion it ain’t working? Another stat you won’t find on the internet is player turnover at Tech since he came aboard. Hard to develop players if they are gone. Finally, there have been quite a number of Tech players in trouble in local news. Laundry list goes on but you get the point.
                                To be clear, I am not a Kingsbury fan...or a Tech fan. My wife did get her undergrad from Tech....and my son played for ASU which is in the Tech system. Thats about it.

                                I could care less if he stays or goes. It is just my opinion that for Tech to compete at a top level they need a top coach. Put a Saban at Tech and the will compete for a natty. But will Tech spend $65M to get a "Saban"? I don't believe so. And would a "Saban" take that job? I don't believe so.

                                As far as how deep is the well.....it can be eternal, but I want to believe they are not going to throw money away for nothing. What TOP coach can Tech get in 2019 that will IMMEDIATELY win???? The cost would be enormous to have ANOTHER 3-4 years of rebuilding. Techs defense in 2018 will be it's strength. 10 starters returning. The problem will be offense.

                                So will Kingsbury be out in November? No. Like it or not, I do believe Kingsbury will be there until the end of his contract. (Unless he only gets a win or two this season).

                                But I have been not exactly right ONCE before. Lol.

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