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  • Herb Street
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by catatonic View Post
    The discussion was about the WAC, which does not play football. So a D2 football site talking about a D1 basketball conference. Does that break a rule?
    We break the rules around here all the time. Consider this forum the online version of Lord of the Flies.

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  • catatonic
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by ASUPops View Post
    Yes....and we are on a D2 FOOTBALL site....talking...football?
    The discussion was about the WAC, which does not play football. So a D2 football site talking about a D1 basketball conference. Does that break a rule?

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  • ASUPops
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by catatonic View Post
    You are correct although Your point applies to football only. There is no difference in sports other than football. D1 is D1.
    Yes....and we are on a D2 FOOTBALL site....talking...football?

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  • ASUPops
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
    You could further define “real” D1 as the top half of the five P5 conferences. That’s really the NFL of college football.
    True!!

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  • Herb Street
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by ASUPops View Post
    Not even close!!!!

    Because of alum $$ pressure, the NCAA "created" the FCS from D1aa. REAL D1(D1a) was and still is THE top level football in the NCAA......regardless of what ego's say.
    You could further define “real” D1 as the top half of the five P5 conferences. That’s really the NFL of college football.
    Last edited by Herb Street; 07-23-2018, 12:59 PM.

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  • catatonic
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by ASUPops View Post
    Not even close!!!!

    Because of alum $$ pressure, the NCAA "created" the FCS from D1aa. REAL D1(D1a) was and still is THE top level football in the NCAA......regardless of what ego's say.
    You are correct although Your point applies to football only. There is no difference in sports other than football. D1 is D1.

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  • ASUPops
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
    Fan bases don’t help fund athletic programs to any degree except for the top tier of P5 programs. All programs that are sub P5 have fickle fan bases.

    WT is D2 because they don’t have sufficient taxes from the students to pay for D1.
    Only $30+M stadiums...;)

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  • ASUPops
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by LSCfan1 View Post
    It’s not “moving down to FCS”. D1 is D1. They would just be adding football that would be played at the FCS level.
    Not even close!!!!

    Because of alum $$ pressure, the NCAA "created" the FCS from D1aa. REAL D1(D1a) was and still is THE top level football in the NCAA......regardless of what ego's say.

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  • laker
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by Michael Whitfield View Post
    These fine institutions that currently comprise the Western Athletic Conference seem to have nothing in common. The NMSU Aggies of Las Cruces are the only University among this group that has a football program, as far as I know.
    You are correct. UTRGV had a study going on and would be the most likely to start a program. Utah Valley was thinking about it but that is as far as that went.

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  • Michael Whitfield
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by laker View Post
    The WAC is currently at nine.

    Cal-Baptist joins this year from D2

    CSU-Bakersfield will be leaving for the Big West in 2020

    Chicago State still seems to be breathing

    Grand Canyon is doing very well

    UMKC is still D1 for now

    New Mexico State still hopes for an invite from an FBS conference

    Seattle still hopes to go to the WCC

    UTRGV is the only D1 school that I don't have a cap from........yet. Oops- I need a Cal Baptist one now too.

    Utah Valley is a school that I know very little about
    These fine institutions that currently comprise the Western Athletic Conference seem to have nothing in common. The NMSU Aggies of Las Cruces are the only University among this group that has a football program, as far as I know.

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  • Herb Street
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by catatonic View Post
    We must be very foolish then. We paid big bucks by Southland Conference standards to hire a D2 coach and turned down an assistant coach from a blue blood P5 school.

    Actually, I thought we made a good hire although I was a little concerned when he hired an almost all his staff from D2 ranks and a recruiting director with no Texas high school connections.
    Time will tell, but D2 to FCS is pretty iffy. I like Dorrel and I've always liked ACU so I hope it works out for both.

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  • catatonic
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
    While there are exceptions, D2 coaches usually can't get it done at D1, and that is in all sports. And I suppose the opposite could very well be true. There have been more than a few modestly successful D1 coaches that were awful in D2.

    D1 and D2 are very different animals.

    Those in athletics administration know this fully; D1 coaching hires from the D2 ranks are not very common, and when they do occur, it is most often a desperate, hail-mary move for a program struggling to stay afloat.

    Women's basketball seems to be the only sport where good D2 coaches are consistently able to transfer their prowess to D1.
    We must be very foolish then. We paid big bucks by Southland Conference standards to hire a D2 coach and turned down an assistant coach from a blue blood P5 school.

    Actually, I thought we made a good hire although I was a little concerned when he hired an almost all his staff from D2 ranks and a recruiting director with no Texas high school connections.

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  • Herb Street
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
    Seriously, Nicholls was winless first year ACU came aboard. That’s it. Houston Baptist has been the dog of the Southland. ACU and UIW have gotten progressively worse with time to the point where they are challenging HBU for the cellar.

    If ACU drops the game to Angelo this fall, I am going to have to agree with Herb that D2 coaches may not understand how to coach in D1.
    While there are exceptions, D2 coaches usually can't get it done at D1, and that is in all sports. And I suppose the opposite could very well be true. There have been more than a few modestly successful D1 coaches that were awful in D2.

    D1 and D2 are very different animals.

    Those in athletics administration know this fully; D1 coaching hires from the D2 ranks are not very common, and when they do occur, it is most often a desperate, hail-mary move for a program struggling to stay afloat.

    Women's basketball seems to be the only sport where good D2 coaches are consistently able to transfer their prowess to D1.

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  • BuffaloChip
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by Michael Whitfield View Post
    I guess those Cajuns don't give a dime about Nichols down in Bayou country.
    :smile-big:

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  • Michael Whitfield
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    Re: UT Tyler moving to D2 and LSC

    Originally posted by catatonic View Post
    Louisiana schools not named LSU are all hurting financially. Nicholls more than most. They hustle every dollar they can by scheduling games against big schools...pay for play...and so forth.

    They have done an excellent job with very limited resources. They have done so by focusing the little they have on a few sports rather than spreading limited dollars around.
    I guess those Cajuns don't give a dime about Nichols down in Bayou country.

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