2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

[Otis Day]

It's here.............

Overall Points
1. Minnesota State (15) ..................... 225
2. Winona State (1)............................ 197
3. Sioux Falls..................................... 195
4. Minnesota Duluth.......................... 194
5. Bemidji State ................................ 165
6. Augustana ...................................... 148
7. St. Cloud State............................... 133
8. Northern State................................ 114
9. Wayne State ................................... 111
10. MSU Moorhead............................ 99
11. Upper Iowa ................................... 96
12. Southwest Minnesota State .......... 69
13. Minot State ................................... 63
14. Concordia-St. Paul........................ 62
15. University of Mary ....................... 34
16. Minnesota Crookston ................... 15

North Division Points
1. Minnesota Duluth (7) ..................... 49
2. Bemidji State ................................. 42
3. St. Cloud State (1) .......................... 33
4. Northern State................................. 32
5. MSU Moorhead.............................. 26
6. Minot State ..................................... 20
7. University of Mary ......................... 15
8. Minnesota Crookston ...................... 7
first place votes in ( )

South Division Points
1. Minnesota State (7) ........................49
2. Winona State (1).............................43
3. Sioux Falls......................................37
4. Augustana .......................................28
5. Wayne State ....................................25
6. Upper Iowa .....................................18
7. Concordia- St. Paul.........................14
8. Southwest Minnesota State ............10

first place votes in ( )

http://northernsun.org/news/2018/7/2...ches-poll.aspx

[Stanger86]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

Ouch

[Otis Day]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

Brief thoughts...

No real surprises. I would think most of us expected something similar.
USF, UMD, and WSU are all extremely tight after Kato. Even years are UMDs Kato/USF grind, while this year they'll get WSU.
Personally, surprised to see Southwest that low and Wayne higher. And dead last behind CSP in the South picks, woof. But will be interesting to see how the middle to lower standings of the South play out this year. Lots of questions.

[Stanger86]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

Brief thoughts...

No real surprises. I would think most of us expected something similar.
USF, UMD, and WSU are all extremely tight after Kato. Even years are UMDs Kato/USF grind, while this year they'll get WSU.
Personally, surprised to see Southwest that low and Wayne higher. And dead last behind CSP in the South picks, woof. But will be interesting to see how the middle to lower standings of the South play out this year. Lots of questions.

Seeing CSP ahead of us in the South but lower than us overall is interesting. Means the North must have higher opinions of the Mustangs than the South does....not too surprising, actually.

[Otis Day]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

Seeing CSP ahead of us in the South but lower than us overall is interesting. Means the North must have higher opinions of the Mustangs than the South does....not too surprising, actually.

It's been the exact same thing every single year, "if our defense is better." And it's not wrong, just hasn't happened. Not sure if there will every be a magic bullet.

[Twincitiesmav]

[laker]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

Ouch

Ouch is right. Seems low to me.

[Clean Liver]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

Ouch is right. Seems low to me.

What do you expect when your whole staff, except HC, is new? Seen it before, or close to it, at SW.

[FootballMom4]

[zimmy21]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

2017 Preseason Poll
Overall
1. MSU
2. UMD
3. BSU
4. Augie
5. USF
6. WSU
7. MSUM
8. SMSU
9. NSU
10. SCSU
11. UIU
12. WSC
13. CSP
14. Minot
15. Mary
16. UMC

[zimmy21]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

2017 Actual results
Overall Standings. (-# or +#)
1.MSU (?)
2. WSU (+5)
T3. USF (+2) USF beat UMD
T3. UMD (-1)
5. BSU (-2)
T6. NSU (+3) *beat SCSU and Wayne, lost to UIU*
T6. WSC (+6) *Lost to NSU, beat UIU*
T6. SCSU (+4) *lost to NSU*
T6. UIU (+5) *Lost to NSU and WSC*
10. MSUM (-3)
11. Augie (-7)
12. Minot (+2)
T13. CSP (?) *beat SMSU*
T13. SMSU (-5) *lost to CSP*
15. Mary (?)
16. UMC (?)

Keep in mind the NSIC has no tie breakers and due to that the preseason poll will be wrong on several teams because of same records.
In short preseason polls are a crapshoot because of injuries, as always

[Stanger86]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

2017 Actual results
Overall Standings. (-# or +#)
1.MSU (?)
2. WSU (+5)
T3. USF (+2) USF beat UMD
T3. UMD (-1)
5. BSU (-2)
T6. NSU (+3) *beat SCSU and Wayne, lost to UIU*
T6. WSC (+6) *Lost to NSU, beat UIU*
T6. SCSU (+4) *lost to NSU*
T6. UIU (+5) *Lost to NSU and WSC*
10. MSUM (-3)
11. Augie (-7)
12. Minot (+2)
T13. CSP (?) *beat SMSU*
T13. SMSU (-5) *lost to CSP*
15. Mary (?)
16. UMC (?)

Keep in mind the NSIC has no tie breakers and due to that the preseason poll will be wrong on several teams because of same records.
In short preseason polls are a crapshoot because of injuries, as always

Another way to break it down is to separate both the poll and the final results into tiers....

For example.....

1. Minnesota State (4) ....................... 213
2. Minnesota Duluth (7) .................... 209
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3. Bemidji State (2) ........................... 184
4. Augustana (1) ................................ 172
5. Sioux Falls (2) ............................... 171
6. Winona State ................................. 165
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7. MSU Moorhead............................. 137
8. Southwest Minnesota State .......... 129
9. Northern State ............................... 121
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10. St. Cloud State ............................ 101
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11. Upper Iowa .................................. 86
12. Wayne State .................................. 81
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13. Concordia-St. Paul........................ 54
14. Minot State .................................. 51
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15. UMary .......................................... 29
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16. Minnesota Crookston ................... 17

Coaches were most wrong on SMSU and Augustana. For the most part, everything else ran pretty close to form. Other teams rose and fell, but it wasn't as drastic. Taking your standings above, here's how I would separate it....

1.MSU (?)
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2. WSU (+5)
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T3. USF (+2) USF beat UMD
T3. UMD (-1)
5. BSU (-2)
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T6. NSU (+3) *beat SCSU and Wayne, lost to UIU*
T6. WSC (+6) *Lost to NSU, beat UIU*
T6. SCSU (+4) *lost to NSU*
T6. UIU (+5) *Lost to NSU and WSC*
10. MSUM (-3)
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11. Augie (-7)
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12. Minot (+2)
T13. CSP (?) *beat SMSU*
T13. SMSU (-5) *lost to CSP*
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15. Mary (?)
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16. UMC (?)

[FootballMom4]

Re: 2018 nsic football preseason coaches' poll

Thank-you! I am a stats geek. This made my night! I see an excel spreadsheet forming in my mind!