Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[D2Rover]

well The Summit might change their mind when SDSU & NDSU go to the Big Sky and when Oral Roberts goes to Conference USA or something similar in the south

I'm not an FCS expert but SDSU/NDSU to the Big Sky isn't a real consideration, is it? Unless they're moving it to FBS, for which the fans of the Montana schools swear there's no interest.

[SW_Mustang]

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[SW_Mustang]

Most conferences pay out evenly when you become a full member. Some, allow the individual school to garner more of a cut from that tournaments pot.

The Tournament as of 2022 paid teams $2 million per game played, this is to be paid out over 6 years. Most conferences have a pay-share clause that means the conference gets the winnings and doles out the cash evenly.

The Summit has 8 Full D1 members right now qualified for the payment so $2mil / 8 teams evenly split = $333,333 each of the Summit teams are getting per year on average from the Madness.

Oral Roberts garnered the Summit some extra money as well because of their Sweet Sixteen run a few years back. They earned the Summit an additional $4 million for their 2 added games played.

Thanks for the specifics. I was not aware of the pay structure. I just assumed the team that went got the nod - which is how I'd prefer it to work, but I digress.

I can't speak on every Summit program, and all sarcasm aside - but SDSU loves attention (and it's apparent NDSU does too). I've really never seen anything like it. I'm not saying they're wrong for it - but it's my actual belief that they won't want anyone that can steal their thunder. I also believe it's partly responsible for why Augie wasn't allowed in.

[Stanger86]

Jamestown's men's volleyball roster will get smaller since they play up at "d1" level, maximum of 18 on the roster, 30 listed on the web site. Still no men's soccer schedule on the web site.

Popcorn ready.

Back to the original point of this thread, I think something that will be interesting to monitor is how any specific sport offerings will affect their Title IX standing. There is a lot of talk about sport cuts and what not, but part of the discussion is also about scholarship dollars. I wonder if cutting men's volleyball, for example could free up space for another sport to become more competitive.

[zimmy21]

I always thought schools went D1 because they got a piece of the pie for making the MBB tournament. I mentioned "iteration" of the Summit because the league existed before the Dakota schools were admitted.

Even still, NDSU and SDSU are two very attention hungry programs. They don't want anyone getting that coveted auto-bid spot. I was honestly surprised to see ORU get a couple nods post Dakota invasion of the Summit when I looked at the championship history.

Kinda wish the MBB tournament would get rid of autobids for the lesser throwaway conferences to be honest, but that's a rant for another day.

Most conferences pay out evenly when you become a full member. Some, allow the individual school to garner more of a cut from that tournaments pot.

The Tournament as of 2022 paid teams $2 million per game played, this is to be paid out over 6 years. Most conferences have a pay-share clause that means the conference gets the winnings and doles out the cash evenly.

The Summit has 8 Full D1 members right now qualified for the payment so $2mil / 8 teams evenly split = $333,333 each of the Summit teams are getting per year on average from the Madness.

Oral Roberts garnered the Summit some extra money as well because of their Sweet Sixteen run a few years back. They earned the Summit an additional $4 million for their 2 added games played.

[SW_Mustang]

While I have not read the Summit League Bylaws, I would imagine they are like most conferences in that the March Madness layout is equally balanced between all teams. Not just the school(s) participating in each specific iteration.

The only "Gravy Train" for most schools in the tournament is more visibility, and name recognition. Which can be profitable for sure.

I always thought schools went D1 because they got a piece of the pie for making the MBB tournament. I mentioned "iteration" of the Summit because the league existed before the Dakota schools were admitted.

Even still, NDSU and SDSU are two very attention hungry programs. They don't want anyone getting that coveted auto-bid spot. I was honestly surprised to see ORU get a couple nods post Dakota invasion of the Summit when I looked at the championship history.

Kinda wish the MBB tournament would get rid of autobids for the lesser throwaway conferences to be honest, but that's a rant for another day.

[zimmy21]

And SDSU and NDSU don't want MSU around. The Mavs won't be competent at the D1 level - but they'll have an easier time disrupting the March Madness gravy train that the Bison and Jacks built for themselves than Denver or UMKC could ever hope for.

While I have not read the Summit League Bylaws, I would imagine they are like most conferences in that the March Madness payout is equally balanced between all teams. Not just the school(s) participating in each specific iteration of March Madness.

The only "Gravy Train" for most schools in the tournament is more visibility, and name recognition. Which can be profitable for sure.

[SW_Mustang]

well The Summit might change their mind when SDSU & NDSU go to the Big Sky and when Oral Roberts goes to Conference USA or something similar in the south

Bingo. The current iteration of the Summit is for the benefit of SDSU and NDSU (and UND to a much lesser extent). UST was added as a short term publicity stunt and long term market share play. The lesser schools don't belong anywhere near D1 but are fodder for the big flagships to get their postseason 1-and-done appearances.

And SDSU and NDSU don't want MSU around. The Mavs won't be competent at the D1 level - but they'll have an easier time disrupting the March Madness gravy train that the Bison and Jacks built for themselves than Denver or UMKC could ever hope for.

On top of that, the feed schools won't want to be kicked around by another opponent. UST loves being the "other" D1 school in Minnesota and don't want competition, and I could see Denver and UND getting their panties in a bunch over hockey stuff. ORU runs the Summit in baseball and might not want to let go of that, since they are really bad in every other sport.

I know there was a lot of in-state politics over not letting Augie in, but I also believe the same factors are at play. SDSU blows at basketball but needs that March Madness money. Would be a shame if they let in Augie, who is much better at basketball to take that away from them.

Kinda a long way to say "I agree" about the *DSU's being the problem, but that's my thoughts.

[SW_Mustang]

you have hit a smart point. MnSCU is broke the state schools in Minnesota are broke and Minnesota is about to have a budget deficit...

A lot of people look at Mankato and think that because they are the "flagship" they they don't have the problems the rest of MnSCU has. Everyone is going through it.

Heck, I bet the UofM's not in the Twin Cities are dealing with it too. The state just doesn't care. I'd argue the constituency doesn't either.

[SW_Mustang]

More so that Jamestown, Crookston, and St. Cloud doesn't belong with the NSIC but go on and put words in everyone's mouth

They don't. St. Cloud belongs in the Summit, the other two belong in the UMAC.

[zimmy21]

There are many Mankato supporters on this Board pushing D1 and even more Mankato supporters who are vocal they don't belong with Crookston, Jamestown, Minto and Mary etc. I'm not out of bounds here

More so that Jamestown, Crookston, and St. Cloud doesn't belong with the NSIC but go on and put words in everyone's mouth

[NSU4LIFE]

With the D1 scholarship max increases, the domino split is only a matter of time

[MrMustang]

Well, yeah - but that's going to come as a direct result of what the P4 decides to do. I mean, the P4 makes up about 52% of FBS. If they decide to leave or start their own division, will the NCAA continue to sponsor the original four divisions of football? The NCAA has existed with four divisions of football for less than half of its life, so it's not outside the realm of possibility to see another shift. There might not be an FCS for MSU to jump too. My point is, saying it could happen for MSU (or Augie) is just wildly speculative (and it absolutely won't happen for UMD, that's just not a possibility).

Ultimately, MSU hasn't grown over the last 10 year period. They have some pretty shoddy facilities, and they are in the same budget crunch the rest of MnSCU is in. If a conference comes calling, I don't know if they'll be able to answer at the end of the day. I'm not dogging the Mavs, it's just their reality.

you have hit a smart point. MnSCU is broke the state schools in Minnesota are broke and Minnesota is about to have a budget deficit...

[MrMustang]

Jamestown's men's volleyball roster will get smaller since they play up at "d1" level, maximum of 18 on the roster, 30 listed on the web site. Still no men's soccer schedule on the web site.

Popcorn ready.

amazing

[MrMustang]

Once again, a non-MSU person trying to push them to D1. Moving up currently makes absolutely no sense. As stated, Augie already tried. You have to have somewhere to go, can’t just decide to jump up.

There are many Mankato supporters on this Board pushing D1 and even more Mankato supporters who are vocal they don't belong with Crookston, Jamestown, Minto and Mary etc. I'm not out of bounds here