NSIC Postseason Honors Announced

[NorthDakotaDragon]

For QB I’d flip first team and second team. Feel Alt gets it by his name and 7 years in the league. Strand gets it from his attempts total. Tomorrow I’ll look at stats for all QBs if you took Strands attempt totals and put that against the rest of the QBs in the league.

I get you are gonna ride with your guy as a UMD fan...but that is a scorching hot take to say Walljasper should have gotten 1st team over a guy that had 2,334 more passing yards and 14 more touchdowns in Strand.

[Matt Witwicki]

Not a big fan of how they did the all conference teams. You have enough guys for four teams so list them as four different teams. No reason to list four running backs on the first team, go with two on each team.

Personally, I'd rather see a true 1st and 2nd team..and then an HM section..but this way more guys get a trophy = get to be called 1st or 2nd team All-Conf....u know how this works.

roughly 100 guys are on the team..and that's the same as it was in recent year....pre-COVID there was a HM section as well..with about another 30 names....and at that point I felt it was REALLY watered down. At this point, I don't mind it. Keep in mind there was a lot of depth at positions like QB this year....players like Bauman (Augie), Cam Dean (USF), and Ekern (MSU) were left off the list....which I understand, but just sayin..in years past they might not have been. I also think they got the QB thing right....Alt is still a stud, even if they didn't lean as heavily on him this year as others. Jack Strand isn't just the product of a pass heavy offense..he's a legit arm and stands tall in the pocket and has shown very very well. I do fear that he could be hard to retain..as he has the looks of a player plenty of high-up teams would have interest in. That's the challenge with the portal anymore..if a guy shows out too much when an underclassmen, do they become a risk for the next level up, etc. Let's hope for MSUM that's not the case.

[tman28]

Why do this..... over 100 all conference players. Really? Have a 1st, 2nd, and HM. Damn... and 75-80 is still pushing it.

[BulldogFan]

For QB I’d flip first team and second team. Feel Alt gets it by his name and
7 years in the league. Strand gets it from his attempts total. Tomorrow I’ll look at stats for all QBs if you took Strands attempt totals and put that against the rest of the QBs in the league.

Understanding it wouldn't be an exact correlation (this was just for fun to see what it would look like), but taking end of regular season stats for all QB's and then adjusting to 550 attempts for everyone this is what the #'s would look like:

	Comp	Att	%	Int	YDS	TD
Bohn	334	550	60.75%	15	5025	41
Bauman	352	550	63.91%	17	4944	50
Hackel	293	550	53.29%	29	4726	29
Alt	324	550	58.97%	10	4362	40
Ekern	319	550	58.09%	11	4344	38
Walljasper	321	550	58.42%	8	4302	60
Stenstrom	317	550	57.59%	20	4175	27
Strand	370	550	67.27%	10	3914	24
Dean	355	550	64.48%	19	3905	34
Martin	313	550	56.84%	25	3829	19
Cordts	290	550	52.81%	16	3244	16
Forknell	345	550	62.77%	16	3240	24
Massoud	340	550	61.86%	14	3158	21

[BulldogFan]

Did the same thing for QB Rushing yards:

	Att	Yds	TD
Walljasper	166	1073	16
Dean	166	924	7
Ekern	166	660	10
Bauman	166	615	9
Hackel	166	514	8
Cordts	166	443	4
Bohn	166	305	20
Massoud	166	269	3
Martin	166	175	4
Stenstrom	166	172	2
Alt	166	114	0
Strand	166	-104	2

[BulldogFan]

I get you are gonna ride with your guy as a UMD fan...but that is a scorching hot take to say Walljasper should have gotten 1st team over a guy that had 2,334 more passing yards and 14 more touchdowns in Strand.

and 348 more attempts ;-)

[Thunder]

Understanding it wouldn't be an exact correlation (this was just for fun to see what it would look like), but taking end of regular season stats for all QB's and then adjusting to 550 attempts for everyone this is what the #'s would look like:

	Comp	Att	%	Int	YDS	TD
Bohn	334	550	60.75%	15	5025	41
Bauman	352	550	63.91%	17	4944	50
Hackel	293	550	53.29%	29	4726	29
Alt	324	550	58.97%	10	4362	40
Ekern	319	550	58.09%	11	4344	38
Walljasper	321	550	58.42%	8	4302	60
Stenstrom	317	550	57.59%	20	4175	27
Strand	370	550	67.27%	10	3914	24
Dean	355	550	64.48%	19	3905	34
Martin	313	550	56.84%	25	3829	19
Cordts	290	550	52.81%	16	3244	16
Forknell	345	550	62.77%	16	3240	24
Massoud	340	550	61.86%	14	3158	21

And if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.

[BulldogFan]

And if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.

Would she have had a horn to squeeze while ridden? Maybe a nice banana seat?

......and I guess you missed the "for fun" in my post, but analytics are analytics.

[Augieholic]

I enjoy how every single stat shown makes it more obvious that Casey Bauman getting zero All NSIC honors was a complete farce.

[BulldogFan]

I enjoy how every single stat shown makes it more obvious that Casey Bauman getting zero All NSIC honors was a complete farce.

Agree 100%

[DoubleNickels]

Did the same thing for QB Rushing yards:

	Att	Yds	TD
Walljasper	166	1073	16
Dean	166	924	7
Ekern	166	660	10
Bauman	166	615	9
Hackel	166	514	8
Cordts	166	443	4
Bohn	166	305	20
Massoud	166	269	3
Martin	166	175	4
Stenstrom	166	172	2
Alt	166	114	0
Strand	166	-104	2

This might be the worst of the year! LOL it's like saying we should "normalize" any attempts to create "fair" playing field...just make everyone "Honorable Mention" so BulldogFan feels better

[Purple Mav Man]

If stats tell the whole story, why isn’t Jaleel McLaughlin the best running back in the NFL? He had the most yards of any running back ever in college. Heisman winner Tim Tebow threw 83 (88 total) TD passes as a starter at Florida and completed over 65% of his passes. He lasted two years in the NFL and couldn’t even complete 50% of his passes there.

Numbers may never lie, but they never tell the whole story.

[BulldogFan]

This might be the worst of the year! LOL it's like saying we should "normalize" any attempts to create "fair" playing field...just make everyone "Honorable Mention" so BulldogFan feels better

I honestly do not care who on UMD gets recognized for all conference or any other personal recognition, I've got no horse in the race. I just find it amusing when Strand's numbers are brought up without looking at his attempts compared to every other QB in the league. Next closest guy has 200 fewer attempts, so if he didn't have a helluva lot more passing yards than anyone else I'd find it quite odd.

The only guy that should be pissed at the giant list of "honorees" is Bauman. He is #1 in efficiency (best gauge of making good decisions and being effective), #2 in passing TD, #5 in passing yards (while being #6 in attempts), and he has led his team to a conference championship and a playoff win.

[BulldogFan]

If stats tell the whole story, why isn’t Jaleel McLaughlin the best running back in the NFL? He had the most yards of any running back ever in college. Heisman winner Tim Tebow threw 83 (88 total) TD passes as a starter at Florida and completed over 65% of his passes. He lasted two years in the NFL and couldn’t even complete 50% of his passes there.

Numbers may never lie, but they never tell the whole story.

Success in college doesn't always translate into the NFL. There is a long list of folks that belong on that list. But I'd say Tebow is one of the best college football players of all time.

[Purple Mav Man]

Success in college doesn't always translate into the NFL. There is a long list of folks that belong on that list. But I'd say Tebow is one of the best college football players of all time.

Agree. But it’s a point to be made about falling in love with stats. They are many times just empty numbers and can tell you whatever you want them to tell you.

Tebow was one of the best system college players of all time. Certainly NOT one of the best players.