PSAC WEST

[Fightingscot82]

I agree with Pittsburgh, but why MLB??

All owners are making so much money there's no incentive to win. No localized revenue sharing and no rules to force owners to spend on the 25 man roster. So the Oracle of Oglebay is allowed to use any national revenue sharing on the 25 man roster and uses GameDay revenue to run the operations. Once ticket sales were voided he laid off everyone but baseball operations.

[boatcapt]

Both

I agree with Pittsburgh, but why MLB??

[IUPalum]

Both

both is correct!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

MLB is a joke or the Buccos are a joke??

Both

[boatcapt]

Speaking of those Buccos ... read this morning that Trevor Bauer's new Dodgers deal will pay HIM more than the entire Pirates roster this season.

MLB is such a joke.

MLB is a joke or the Buccos are a joke??

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Yes but that was in the old days when having 5 schollies put you in contention. The Pirates were once competitive too.

Speaking of those Buccos ... read this morning that Trevor Bauer's new Dodgers deal will pay HIM more than the entire Pirates roster this season.

MLB is such a joke.

[Fightingscot82]

It's funny how times change. Clarion used to be a basketball hotbed. In the 90s they had some really good teams -- and really big crowds.

Tippin was one of the loudest gyms around in that era. It could be deafening in there. Fast forward and that program is just a relic of an era gone by.

IUP games there are hilarious. I go on that road trip every year. IUP brings 100-150 people. Clarion has 50. It's a defacto home game.

Ron Righter had a great, long career there. They've been a lost soul since. Marcess had one decent team but once those guys he brought with him left ... it was over.

Yes but that was in the old days when having 5 schollies put you in contention. The Pirates were once competitive too.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Looks like Clarion's big fella, Godspower, is off the team. He's in the team photo but off the roster. He also wasn't in the gym for the Mercyhurst game.

That dude was a throwback to the 90s PSAC ... maybe the biggest player I've seen in person. He was about 6'10" and 285 lbs. But, he could move for his size and had some skill.

I remember last year - I think it was Chuckie - ran in to him by accident in the low post -- and then went airborne about 10'.

It reminded me of when Till launched Dante about 15' in the air. Of course, only one of those collisions was on purpose. Dante sure had a way of getting picked on by the former football players.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Speaking of M. Williams ... never forget the night in his first year he about wanted to fight Joe.

Joe doesn't run up scores on people. Yet, Clarion would not call of its press. It was easy layup after easy layup and the score ballooned to like 50-some.

I remember Joe yelling back to quit pressing and they'll slow down. Lol.

Williams left the court restrained yelling 'I'm gonna get you.'

He never got him.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

On funding, IUP is the exception. Its a perfect storm of a coach with big-time vision and several departments with bit-time thinkers and big-time doers. There aren't big money donors in Clarion replicate their model. As for this year, he's probably a victim of his own success with a little bit of realizing he doesn't *have* to make a season happen. All that money budgeted for travel and meals can be saved or put toward other things. One football coach at a non-PSAC school I spoke to said that exact thing. He gave back half of his operating budget and once the season was canceled got approval to buy new uniforms a year ahead of schedule.

It's funny how times change. Clarion used to be a basketball hotbed. In the 90s they had some really good teams -- and really big crowds.

Tippin was one of the loudest gyms around in that era. It could be deafening in there. Fast forward and that program is just a relic of an era gone by.

IUP games there are hilarious. I go on that road trip every year. IUP brings 100-150 people. Clarion has 50. It's a defacto home game.

Ron Righter had a great, long career there. They've been a lost soul since. Marcess had one decent team but once those guys he brought with him left ... it was over.

[Fightingscot82]

Joe brings in more money than anybody in the region. Huge donors and 2,000 fans on avg. IUP voted to play. Why they then decided not to after the rest declined is an answer nobody on here can provide. People don't line up to play Joe's team when they don't have to do so.

On funding, IUP is the exception. Its a perfect storm of a coach with big-time vision and several departments with bit-time thinkers and big-time doers. There aren't big money donors in Clarion replicate their model. As for this year, he's probably a victim of his own success with a little bit of realizing he doesn't *have* to make a season happen. All that money budgeted for travel and meals can be saved or put toward other things. One football coach at a non-PSAC school I spoke to said that exact thing. He gave back half of his operating budget and once the season was canceled got approval to buy new uniforms a year ahead of schedule.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Not saying they "make money." They don't bring in much revenue. Most if not all have gameday revenue (tickets & concessions) go into a general athletic fund rather than stay with the program. D2 average is what 400-500 a game? It would be interesting to see what percentage paid for their seat. Basketball isn't a sport where the parents buy season tickets & travel with the team like football.

Joe brings in more money than anybody in the region. Huge donors and 2,000 fans on avg. IUP voted to play. Why they then decided not to after the rest declined is an answer nobody on here can provide. People don't line up to play Joe's team when they don't have to do so.

[Fightingscot82]

Well, I wonder how many DII basketball or football teams can say they actually "make money?" Sure, when you factor in tuition for 120 players, you can make a pretty strong case that a number break even, but for most, they operate at a loss even in a good year. But then again, show me somthing on a typical DII campus that truly makes money?

Not saying they "make money." They don't bring in much revenue. Most if not all have gameday revenue (tickets & concessions) go into a general athletic fund rather than stay with the program. D2 average is what 400-500 a game? It would be interesting to see what percentage paid for their seat. Basketball isn't a sport where the parents buy season tickets & travel with the team like football.

[boatcapt]

I'm saying its a waste of money for any school to try to force a sports season this year. There is no one benefit than simply trying to do some normal things. The crowds can't be there. The students aren't around. They don't make enough revenue off of basketball to make it worth it. The "othered 5" joined a league where 75% of members belong to the same system. They knew what they were signing up for. Until the 2012 expansion, the PSAC was a de facto auxiliary of PASSHE.

Well, I wonder how many DII basketball or football teams can say they actually "make money?" Sure, when you factor in tuition for 120 players, you can make a pretty strong case that a number break even, but for most, they operate at a loss even in a good year. But then again, show me somthing on a typical DII campus that truly makes money?

[Fightingscot82]

So the decision was mostly caused by the financial difficulties of the PASSHE schools? That's some hard cheese to swallow for the 5 non-PASSHE members of the PSAC.

I'm saying its a waste of money for any school to try to force a sports season this year. There is no one benefit than simply trying to do some normal things. The crowds can't be there. The students aren't around. They don't make enough revenue off of basketball to make it worth it. The "othered 5" joined a league where 75% of members belong to the same system. They knew what they were signing up for. Until the 2012 expansion, the PSAC was a de facto auxiliary of PASSHE.