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  • #16
    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    Who determines the COY Award? Do the coaches vote?
    According to the PSAC All-Conference Awards structure, it's determined by a vote of the coaches.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

      When coaches vote it's typically a popularity conference.
      One thing working against Wilson is the ESU style of play. When you play a full-game press and are constantly shuttling players in and out, they don't accumulate the type of statistics that gain individual recognition. There were no ESU players among the top 25 in minutes played this season. Wilson had a very good depth of talent this year and should have a strong team next season.

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      • #18
        Ship69 is more even-handed than myself, as has been pointed out elsewhere.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jrshooter View Post
          Ship69 is more even-handed than myself, as has been pointed out elsewhere.
          I don't know about that, but I certainly don't think Fite is undeserving of the award this year. He's had this team playing with a unity and genuine comeradery that you don't always see in college sports these days. Ship has actually been a fairly erratic offensive team this year, but they've won quite a few games where one or more of their chief weapons have had a bad night — the other guys usually pick them up. The quarterfinal against Millersville was a prime example. However, they'd better get Castello, Biss, Carter, or some combination of them going against Mercyhurt, or the result is unlikely to be good.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

            I don't know about that, but I certainly don't think Fite is undeserving of the award this year. He's had this team playing with a unity and genuine comeradery that you don't always see in college sports these days. Ship has actually been a fairly erratic offensive team this year, but they've won quite a few games where one or more of their chief weapons have had a bad night — the other guys usually pick them up. The quarterfinal against Millersville was a prime example. However, they'd better get Castello, Biss, Carter, or some combination of them going against Mercyhurt, or the result is unlikely to be good.
            The interesting thing is the criteria (if there is any) seemed off.

            Lombardi went 26-2, won the West and is ranked No. 1 in the Region -- and overcame a massive injury. No idea how a case can be made Manchel had a better year than Redshirt Joe.

            What's the definition of Coach of the Year? If it's winning through extreme adversity, Jeff Wilson certainly was the front-runner. If it's just winning, Lombardi was certainly the front-runner. Neither won, bottom line. These are the reasons message boards exist.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

              The interesting thing is the criteria (if there is any) seemed off.

              Lombardi went 26-2, won the West and is ranked No. 1 in the Region -- and overcame a massive injury. No idea how a case can be made Manchel had a better year than Redshirt Joe.

              What's the definition of Coach of the Year? If it's winning through extreme adversity, Jeff Wilson certainly was the front-runner. If it's just winning, Lombardi was certainly the front-runner. Neither won, bottom line. These are the reasons message boards exist.
              I'm not sure how these things happen. Sometimes people just like the underdog — sometimes not. In Lombardi's case, maybe some are envious of the success he and his team have had in reason years. Who knows? Ohio State football coaches sometimes go years without winning Coach of the Year in the Big Ten, probably because people just think you should win at Ohio State. I don't think anyone in the PSAC East, including Ship, had overwhelming talent this year from what I've seen. The Dustin Sleva team from a couple of years back probably would have made mincemeat out of most of the teams this year, and East Stroud was better then as well. Sometimes you're up and sometimes not. Wilson has been Coach of the Year three times since 2010, the last relatively recently, so it seems hard to believe the other coaches have anything in particular against him.

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              • #22
                I have nothing against their accomplishment. They have the best collection of talent in the East. To not have won the division would have been inexplicable...A perfect illustration of my point is out west, where Joe Lombardi put together the best team in the West, but he didn't win COY honors...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                  One thing working against Wilson is the ESU style of play. When you play a full-game press and are constantly shuttling players in and out, they don't accumulate the type of statistics that gain individual recognition. There were no ESU players among the top 25 in minutes played this season. Wilson had a very good depth of talent this year and should have a strong team next season.
                  I would think that would work in his favor. not against him...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post

                    I would think that would work in his favor. not against him...
                    Actually, not so much. Wilson had a lot of talent on that club. I think they will definitely be one of the teams to beat next year. For that matter, they're in the running this year. Imagine if Biss had been playing 25 minutes a game at ESU vs. 35 minutes a game at Ship. Would he have been first-team PSAC? Maybe. Maybe not.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                      The interesting thing is the criteria (if there is any) seemed off.

                      Lombardi went 26-2, won the West and is ranked No. 1 in the Region -- and overcame a massive injury. No idea how a case can be made Manchel had a better year than Redshirt Joe.

                      What's the definition of Coach of the Year? If it's winning through extreme adversity, Jeff Wilson certainly was the front-runner. If it's just winning, Lombardi was certainly the front-runner. Neither won, bottom line. These are the reasons message boards exist.
                      Fair or not, Coach of the year is usually a proxy for "most overachieving team." The team that most exceeded expectations.

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