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  • Re: G-MAC All-Sports and Conference Business Thread

    Originally posted by BlueBlood View Post
    What's funny to me is that by all accounts, AB has been a model member of the G-MAC. I haven't heard one complaint about AB. During the formative years, AB was absolutely one of the strong pillars that the conference was built upon. The heavy lifting for those schools may be over, but it happened and is certainly not forgotten.
    We were strong in the WVIAC. However, we spend a lot of money on travel and lodging in the G-MAC and I think that has taken away from money spent on scholarships. Some of our teams have been dreadful lately. Fielding a team and being competitive are two different subjects in my book.

    When you start to dig and talk to quality people and administrators, you start to learn some things. I certainly did. We hired a new president in 2011 named Rick Creehan. He wanted to make a lot of changes....which were certainly needed at A-B. But he did it without the proper help of a financial adviser and that proved to be a complete debacle. He resigned in 2015 after some news broke about some financial mishaps. It appears we have been on a better trend with our current president. He seems to have tried hard but inherited a tough situation. But Creehan did not resign without making some terrible decisions in the process.

    Unfortunately AB got tainted with some poor decision-making by Mr. Creehan in his first years. One of his first moves on campus was to build a multi-sport stadium and start up football. Nothing wrong with that move. He hired his brother as head football coach. Nothing wrong with that move as I believe that man is a solid football coach and has been at several different D2 schools. A real issue that I believe proved bad is replacing the athletic director at the time (JD Long) and naming Creehan's brother, Dennis as AD as well. JD Long was a very good athletic director for AB and made some great hires as head coaches that led us to success during some tough years at the school. JD was well respected in the WVIAC as well. He was a solid volleyball and softball coach at AB. He graduated from AB. He just did a good job as AD. That move turned a lot of alumni off. It did me, and I have to be careful here as JD is a friend of mine. But friend or not, I felt the nepotism involved in the hire was the s.h.i.t.s. Their was an immediate outcry from a lot of alumni when this move occurred, and JD was brought back to AB within a week as an associate AD who also taught classes. It was just two years ago that JD Long was the G-MAC faculty member of the year and was up for a national award. Sooooooooo........it was not just me, or AB alums, or WVIAC administrators that felt highly of JD Long. It showed in the G-MAC......keep that in mind!!!!! I quit giving my financial support as soon as this happened. I had given money to AB athletics in consecutive years for over a decade. But I was not going to support this type of tom foolery. I gave back to Coach Zimmerman and his program in other ways.

    Then at the WVIAC president's meeting in March of 2012, the presidents were to vote on WVIAC expansion. The school to add was UVA-Wise. The football schools were going to vote them in and the schools without football were not. If all the football schools and AB (which was forming football) voted for UVA-Wise, then they would be added to the WVIAC. President Creehan had told the football schools that he would vote to allow them in. All looked good. But then the president talked to his brother. Denny was not in favor of UVA-Wise getting in because they recruited heavily in the Norfolk/Richmond/Tidewater area much as the same that AB was doing at the time. So the rug was pulled out of the WVIAC football schools in a move that was looked at as self-serving and not in what was originally promised. Behind the scenes, the move for football schools to breakaway from the WVIAC took place.

    What is never mentioned because I personally think a lot of the MEC posters just don't know is that AB was invited to join the Mountain East. Former Glenville athletic director Janet Bailey told me that AB was invited to join over Wheeling Jesuit in 2012 because AB had football. This occurred once Seton Hill got an immediate invite to the PSAC and left the original MEC squadron. Wheeling also voted against UVA-Wise going into the conference and they didn't have football. There was one condition: Dennis Creehan had to either resign as AD or resign as head football coach. The NCAA was frowning on AD's being head coaches. The league AD's and presidents also did not like the fact that a head football coach was not only going to be AD at the school, but he was the brother of the president. President Rick Creehan wouldn't remove his brother from one of the positions because "he didn't want other league members telling him how to run his school". Again, a move made out of nepotism that was done to protect a brother rather than probably doing what was in the best interest of AB. It was self-serving and I don't know how else to put it. It made AB look completely ridiculous. We are still having problems regaining that trust as Denny Creehan is still AD. I was actually hoping that last year he would get the Edinboro head football job as he was a finalist for it. He didn't. And here we are. Wheeling Jesuit was the last team added to the MEC. This isn't revisionist history. This is how it went down from a well-respected AD in the league at that time.

    As far as the West Liberty posters, their president resigned recently under serious ethics violations. Robin Capehart was found to use state funds illegally and unethically. Those state funds were directed towards West Liberty. He took money from that and used it for HIS private company that makes 3rd-rate movies. He was caught by the state auditor. His faculty and student body called for his resignation and gave him a vote of no confidence. Mr Capehart was the ringleader of the formation of the MEC. He nominated his communications director at West Lib, Reid Amos, to be commish. He wanted a huge say in how things were done. West Lib posters are the worst attackers of AB. But yet, their president was using state funds for his own private company.

    The G-MAC is a better league than the MEC. However, for a little school like AB, the travel and lodging are costing a lot of money. I know the Trevecca basketball coach told our staff that the same thing is happening to them as an athletic department. I personally don't feel that AB will get invited to the MEC as long as Denny Creehan and Reid Amos are involved. Maybe necessity eventually changes that compass. That is just opinion based on people that I have talked to.
    Last edited by JDonAB92; 04-23-2018, 09:51 AM.

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      Thomas More has "officially" been approved as a member of the NAIA...http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/...ew-members.htm

      This is not to say that they have "officially" accepted, but looks like that might happen eventually...http://www.nkytribune.com/2018/04/do...th-conference/

      Really not surprising, I guess, but at one time it seemed like the G-MAC might run the risk of being overloaded with schools and now events could take place that we might be struggling to stay at 10 or 11 members. This is all conjecture, of course, but I'm retired and have lots of time on my hands. AB could be on its way to the MEC, Ohio Valley apparently needs to get their crap together and Trevecca has to be rethinking their travel situation. IF AB leaves and Ohio Valley continues to mess up, where does this leave D&E in their thought process of being the traveling team of the G-MAC. Also, could Trevecca consider a drop to NAIA where they would be with much closer schools? I'm not really worried about KWC(should I?) but we have the potential of losing schools very quickly in the next few years. The one thing that puts my mind at ease is that I still have great confidence in Tom Daeger and the rest of the crew guiding the Great Midwest.

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        Originally posted by UFOILERFAN View Post
        ....at one time it seemed like the G-MAC might run the risk of being overloaded with schools and now events could take place that we might be struggling to stay at 10 or 11 members.
        Not worried at all. If the footprint becomes more compact, the conference may become more appealing to schools like Ashland, UIndy and BU. Also, remember that NDC and Urbana wanted an OH D2 conference and were part of the planning process when this all started.

        My gut tells me that there is likely more movement ahead. I don't think it will be scary movement - just natural moves that make sense.

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        Edit: The OH schools discussed an OH D2 conference way back in 2005 or so. Some were already D2 at the time, most were still in the NAIA AMC conference. The G-MAC got off to kind of a crazy geographic start, due to a series of non-predicted events that left them with schools that were really far away from each other. Those early years were all about survival - for the conference and for the individual schools involved. You are willing to take long bus trips in order to survive.

        I do not think the G-MAC will ever become an "OH D2 conference" like the original vision, but I do think that the footprint will eventually contract a bit.

        I've posted before on the WV/OH schools. I don't know that an outright switch will every occur, but its obvious to all that there are OH schools in a predominantly WV conference and WV schools in a predominantly OH conference. I do think some movement there is natural.

        TNU - I listen to their radio show a sometimes. All of their coaches complain about the long trips. Yes, they would be a really good fit for the Mid-South Conference (conversely, many of the Mid-South schools would also be a good fit in the G-MAC). However, they have invested a lot of money and time in going NCAA. They have a lot of pride in being NCAA. So, I kind of doubt they reverse course. I think they would consider that a major defeat. I do think that they eventually end up in the SAC or GSC - both of which already have TN schools. I always thought the GSC was the front-runner to be their eventual conference. However, UVA-Wise's move to the SAC made me think that is another possible (and maybe even preferred) landing spot.

        KWC - Assuming that they want to remain D2 (there are rumblings on here from time to time) - Of all the "distant" schools, I think they are the most likely to remain G-MAC and the one that a potential "bridge" gets built to.
        Last edited by BlueBlood; 04-24-2018, 07:55 AM.

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          There hasn't been an announcement yet, but the Presidents Cup points have already been tabulated on the conference website. Congrats to Hillsdale on a great first year in the G-MAC!

          Hillsdale .924
          Findlay .791
          Walsh .733
          Cedarville .580
          Malone .579
          Ohio Dominican .546
          Lake Erie .513
          Ursuline .470
          Ky. Wesleyan .440
          Davis & Elkins .402
          Trevecca Nazarene .393
          Ohio Valley .318
          Alderson Broaddus .300

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            Last place. That is unreal. I remember days in the WVIAC where we contended for this regularly. This is just sad.

            And to respond to above comments. I hope we remain in the G-MAC. However, if given the opportunity, I don't believe we will. I understand the travel/miss class time. With that said, we make this announcement that we are starting yet another sport, or two if you will. Maybe there is a great reason for starting rugby. I couldn't tell you. But if the travel argument is a reason to leave the G-MAC, I would like to know why we are starting men's and women's rugby when there is no school nearby that fields this sport. The closest that I could see is Notre Dame. I can understand the adding a sport to attract students to the school argument. But will the travel and budget of this sport outweigh the benefit of bringing in students? I don't know that answer.

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              Congratulations, Chargers!!!

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                CU's position in the standings seems respectable when you see it in print. However, missing out on the men's basketball and baseball tournaments was a real downer and seems to make the overall year feel less successful than it probably was.

                BTW - Hillsdale didn't finish any worse than 4th place in any sport.

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                  Also - Hillsdale's Dodgers (white) and Blue Jays (blue) inspired baseball uniforms are pretty cool.

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                    I believe this is going to change the G-MAC slightly. It appears a done deal now.


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                      Yeah, I just hope everyone lands on their feet happy.

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                        Blueblood, this is silly, I know. But I thought I would share. I read my Hagerstown Sunday paper this morning and on page A6, they list "Local Students Honored for Academics at Cedarville University". There were 8 students total in this area alone on that list. 5 made the dean's honor list for 3.75 or above and 3 make dean's list for 3.5 GPA. I just thought you ought to know that whoever at Cedarville that recruits the Hagerstown, MD area does a heck of a job getting quality students to go there from this area. When I got new tires, there was a Cedarville magazine in the waiting area. Apparently the guy that owns the store has a son and a daughter that go there as well. I know the private, Christian high schools in this area thrive pretty well. Just thought I would share. I commend Cedarville for contacting the Herald-Mail to honor these students for their work. This is a pretty good distance from Cedarville.

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                          Originally posted by JDonAB92 View Post
                          Blueblood, this is silly, I know. But I thought I would share. I read my Hagerstown Sunday paper this morning and on page A6, they list "Local Students Honored for Academics at Cedarville University". There were 8 students total in this area alone on that list. 5 made the dean's honor list for 3.75 or above and 3 make dean's list for 3.5 GPA. I just thought you ought to know that whoever at Cedarville that recruits the Hagerstown, MD area does a heck of a job getting quality students to go there from this area. When I got new tires, there was a Cedarville magazine in the waiting area. Apparently the guy that owns the store has a son and a daughter that go there as well. I know the private, Christian high schools in this area thrive pretty well. Just thought I would share. I commend Cedarville for contacting the Herald-Mail to honor these students for their work. This is a pretty good distance from Cedarville.
                          Thanks for the post JDon. The majority of students at Cedarville come from out of state. It always amazes me how hot spots develop across the country. Sounds like Hagerstown is one. Actually, I knew some classmates from that area, so there is a chance I know the parents (I'm that age). I spent my high school years in the Harrisburg area, and that was definitely a hot spot too. A family friend went there before me and had such a good experience that I checked it out. I ended up going there, my brother followed me, and 2 cousins and a couple more family friends followed him. I've lost track of the "tree", but I know its continuing. I hope that in todays college market (with an increasing number of kids commuting or doing online schooling) that schools like Cedarville continue to flourish. Unfortunately, my kids likely will not be following me. Its pretty far from Tampa, plus my kids have grown up warm. So far, our college trips have been to schools in the warm south.

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                            The G-MAC Athletic Directors met yesterday and are meeting again today. Tomorrow is the Presidents meeting (in Cedarville).

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                              Originally posted by BlueBlood View Post
                              The G-MAC Athletic Directors met yesterday and are meeting again today. Tomorrow is the Presidents meeting (in Cedarville).
                              Do you have the place bugged yet?

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                                Originally posted by UFOILERFAN View Post
                                Do you have the place bugged yet?
                                I think its status quo unless AB is moving. If AB moves, then I think you may see some extra moves.

                                Other items:
                                - Tiffin officially becomes a member on July 1.
                                - Ashland has stated they are in a holding pattern (but I think most of us think there is a spot reserved for them).
                                - I don't think there is any chance of UIndy unless Ashland is coming (so again, that discussion is probably on ice)
                                - Rumors have Mount Vernon Nazarene leaving their NAIA conference. As some of you may remember, they were one of the AMC schools that applied for NCAA (they were rejected) and planned on being in the (then un-named) G-MAC. The rumors I've heard have them staying in the NAIA, just switching conferences. I always keep my eye on them though, as they were very much a part of this when it began and I think the conference would make room for them if they wanted back in.
                                - I was keeping my eye on Thomas More. They appear to be going from D3 to NAIA, but it isn't in ink yet. Their location in the KY side of the Cincy suburbs seems so intriguing. The conference has previously tried unsuccessfully add schools closer to KWC and TNU. Nothing has worked out. TMC is intriguing because it helps the southern schools, but even if either one (or both) someday leaves the conference, having a school in suburban Cincy isn't a burden.
                                - I don't think NDC or Urbana enter the equation unless AB is moving.

                                just my thoughts (or I guess more accurately, recapping some stuff we all know, plus some of my thoughts)
                                Last edited by BlueBlood; 06-05-2018, 09:21 AM.

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