OT: D1

[Ship69]

best teams into a bracket.

[Bart]

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[Fightingscot82]

But Shepherd didn't even win its division this year, let alone its conference. By your plan, Shepherd could have been left out.



ESPN has broadcast rights to the entire CFP.

I can advocate for different styles of playoffs for different divisions. I'm not saying the FBS model should be the DII model. In fact I'm arguing the opposite. I want something more similar to FCS and D3: win your conference and use criteria to fill out the remaining spots.

My point about ESPN is that they have so much at stake with the current system. Its not just about the broadcast rights for the little dinky 4 team playoff. They also own many of the newer junk bowl games, so its in their interest to keep the system as is.

[Fightingscot82]

What does that have to do with anything? The media doesn't pick the teams.


So teams with the best records should be in the playoffs, not necessarily those deemed to be the best teams?

If you think the national media doesn't influence the selection you're crazy. I'm also not saying its strictly teams with the best records. I'm saying that in spite of Cincinnati winning every game on their schedule, there are some who were advocating for them to be left out. They should be in under the current structure because they're undefeated. In my design they should be in because they won their conference.

[Matt Burglund]

No. I'm assuming a larger, FCS-style playoff as I said in my original post, which would mean a dozen or more teams after the conference champions. I also said that never will happen. Since they've already talked about a 12-team playoff, for that I'd include the P5 champions, reserve at least one spot for the highest ranked Group of 5 team, and then select the highest-ranked teams for the final six spots. They're always going to argue over who gets left out. They have 68 frickin' teams in the basketball playoff, and some want to expand it again.

best teams into a bracket.

[Ship69]

That sounds easy enough in theory. But if there are two at-large spots, there's likely to be more than two teams in the mix, and then you're back to the same problem we started with, just further down the line.

No. I'm assuming a larger, FCS-style playoff as I said in my original post, which would mean a dozen or more teams after the conference champions. I also said that never will happen. Since they've already talked about a 12-team playoff, for that I'd include the P5 champions, reserve at least one spot for the highest ranked Group of 5 team, and then select the highest-ranked teams for the final six spots. They're always going to argue over who gets left out. They have 68 frickin' teams in the basketball playoff, and some want to expand it again.

[Matt Burglund]

Yes, and I'd argue both Shepherd and Ferris deserved to be there.

But Shepherd didn't even win its division this year, let alone its conference. By your plan, Shepherd could have been left out.

Since they own a couple dozen bowls, ESPN has a lot of money to potentially lose if a playoff flops.

ESPN has broadcast rights to the entire CFP.

[Matt Burglund]

Put in all the league champions and then select the top-ranked teams after that.

That sounds easy enough in theory. But if there are two at-large spots, there's likely to be more than two teams in the mix, and then you're back to the same problem we started with, just further down the line.

[Matt Burglund]

Yeah but how much time would media heads be beating down their SOS?

What does that have to do with anything? The media doesn't pick the teams.

There's a 13-0 football team that almost didn't make it.

So teams with the best records should be in the playoffs, not necessarily those deemed to be the best teams?

[Fightingscot82]

Yep, I'd like to see a Division I playoff something along the lines of the FCS. Put in all the league champions and then select the top-ranked teams after that. Never will happen though due to the money factor in big-time college football. In the lower divisions, people don't tend to worry as much about the TV factors and blowouts in playoff games. There were plenty of routs in the Division II playoffs this year, including the Shepherd-Ferris semifinal.

Yes, and I'd argue both Shepherd and Ferris deserved to be there.

Since they own a couple dozen bowls, ESPN has a lot of money to potentially lose if a playoff flops. Its profitable to have the Daytona Beach Big Johnson T-Shirt Bowl on a Tuesday afternoon. So their talking heads will always be against it. You had CGD guys questioning Cincinnati up through the end of the season. You don't see anything like that in basketball.

[Ship69]

While you're eagerly awaiting Ohio's 27-24 upset of Michigan, you're going to have to wait through 20 straight years of Michigan 62, Ohio 14. The gap between P5 and Go5 schools is so wide that the upsets would be extremely rare. That leaves a series of first-round blowouts that only a few people would make appointment TV. After enough of that, people lose interest.

Yep, I'd like to see a Division I playoff something along the lines of the FCS. Put in all the league champions and then select the top-ranked teams after that. Never will happen though due to the money factor in big-time college football. In the lower divisions, people don't tend to worry as much about the TV factors and blowouts in playoff games. There were plenty of routs in the Division II playoffs this year, including the Shepherd-Ferris semifinal.

[Fightingscot82]

That's not the same. There are 68 teams in the basketball tournament. A 27-4 hoops team would make it into a 68-team tournament every time, regardless of what league they're in.

Yeah but how much time would media heads be beating down their SOS? There's a 13-0 football team that almost didn't make it.

[Matt Burglund]

I get that - but without providing equal access, basketball wouldn't have Gonzaga right now. They'd be relegated to the NIT every year or something as irrelevant as those preseason tournaments in the Bahamas.

That's not the same. There are 68 teams in the basketball tournament. A 27-4 hoops team would make it into a 68-team tournament every time, regardless of what league they're in.

[Fightingscot82]

While you're eagerly awaiting Ohio's 27-24 upset of Michigan, you're going to have to wait through 20 straight years of Michigan 62, Ohio 14. The gap between P5 and Go5 schools is so wide that the upsets would be extremely rare. That leaves a series of first-round blowouts that only a few people would make appointment TV. After enough of that, people lose interest.

I get that - but without providing equal access, basketball wouldn't have Gonzaga right now. They'd be relegated to the NIT every year or something as irrelevant as those preseason tournaments in the Bahamas.

[Matt Burglund]

I think the NCAA should run a playoff with all FBS conference champions. That's 10 teams - I think the committee can choose the final 2 (includes independents).

I know this really pees in the corn flakes of those who long for the annual Camping World Bowl and those who are willing to engage in fisticuffs over their assertion that the 6th-best SEC team is better than the MAC champion.

While you're eagerly awaiting Ohio's 27-24 upset of Michigan, you're going to have to wait through 20 straight years of Michigan 62, Ohio 14. The gap between P5 and Go5 schools is so wide that the upsets would be extremely rare. That leaves a series of first-round blowouts that only a few people would make appointment TV. After enough of that, people lose interest.