OT: D1

[TheBigCat2192]

But unfortunately, in the heavy pro-player media world we live in (for all sports at all levels), we hardly ever hear those stores.

I think we’re usually fairly aligned on macro sports trends but this is one where I’d disagree. Sports reporting is slanted towards league and team. I don’t entirely blame journalists since teams control things like credentials and interview access but I’m struggling to think of a major sports news outlet that you could call “pro-player.” It is less pronounced in college sports than at the professional level at least; perhaps because there (previously) was “no money” involved and you can’t accuse guys who “aren’t getting paid” of being overpaid or greedy.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Because many of these "NIL" arrangements are not legally or contractually binding, this stuff is allowed to exist. I know your take is mostly objective, but I feel you are also pretty pro-player "getting their bag at all costs" too. And that's fine, it's a big business. I see both sides, but mostly try to look at it from the macro in terms of where it's going and what the actual intent really was.

Point is, there are just as many stories of players screwing over their programs too. Like this one.

I previously used the Dayon Hayes situation at Pitt. He basically took all of Pitt's NIL money and immediately packed his things and left for Colorado. Because he wasn't required to do X, Y, and Z to get that money, and it was just paid out to him, he had no obligation to give it back. So for every story of a player not getting everything he was promised, there is a story of that too. But unfortunately, in the heavy pro-player media world we live in (for all sports at all levels), we hardly ever hear those stores.

When you start dealing with big money, the sharks come out. Both sides are learning some lessons.

The money is the money. It will always exist -- legally or illegally. I actually think the 'money' was cleaner when it was illegal than now when it's legal.

If these kids can get it (legally) ... get it. What, about 98% of them aren't going pro. What job awaits? They may work 10 years to make what they can get in a one-year NIL deal. There's a lot of stories of those who allegedly got screwed over, but there are some who got (and are getting) serious checks. What do you think Livvy Dunne is going to make this year at LSU? There's only so much loyalty. See how loyal these programs are to you when you blow your knee out. On to the next. It's why scholarships are year to year. When you aren't useful to the program, you're gone. Coaches leave on a whim after yapping about loyalty for their whole tenure. It's just a cut-throat business. And, at the high level, it is a big business.

My main heartache is the redshirt item. The 'play in four games and still redshirt' was designed specifically to get young players on the field. They could get some experience while still taking the redshirt year. It was perfect for your higher-end true freshmen, etc. Think back before this rule when if you played in one game you burned your redshirt (Kenny Pickett playing against Miami comes to mind).

But, of course, a loophole was discovered in this new rule. And, it's a big one as we are seeing. Now you can simply pull a Derek Bell and go in to Operation Shutdown.

I'm not convinced this UNLV QB story is as cut and dry and both sides want us to believe. They very well may both have their hand in the cookie jar. Regardless, this player has now quit on his team, friends, etc. As somebody else pointed out, $100,000 isn't some big number. I'm sure we'll eventually learn more about this one.

[IUP24]

That story has changed. He's actually not looking to transfer. He's unhappy with being a rotation player so he's shutting it down with the intention of coming back next year. Lol can't make this stuff up. He's even going to continue to practice with USC.

If Reilly keeps him that is F'd up. His teammates have to be thrilled.

They paid that dude a lot of coin. He was showing his LA apartment off, Cribs style, to ESPN in August.

D1 can play (4) games and still take a redshirt. Players opting to shut it down obviously wasn't the intention but now it's a thing.

Because many of these "NIL" arrangements are not legally or contractually binding, this stuff is allowed to exist. I know your take is mostly objective, but I feel you are also pretty pro-player "getting their bag at all costs" too. And that's fine, it's a big business. I see both sides, but mostly try to look at it from the macro in terms of where it's going and what the actual intent really was.

Point is, there are just as many stories of players screwing over their programs too. Like this one.

I previously used the Dayon Hayes situation at Pitt. He basically took all of Pitt's NIL money and immediately packed his things and left for Colorado. Because he wasn't required to do X, Y, and Z to get that money, and it was just paid out to him, he had no obligation to give it back. So for every story of a player not getting everything he was promised, there is a story of that too. But unfortunately, in the heavy pro-player media world we live in (for all sports at all levels), we hardly ever hear those stores.

[IUP24]

Dave Portnoy made headlines yesterday by stating he will pay 'upward' of $3m through NIL to get an elite QB to Michigan. He said he will do it yearly.


He's obviously an actual 'whale' and has the money. He's a Michigan alum and die hard. I'd be curious who then gets to 'pick' the QB.

Those who write $3m checks to athletic departments carry major weight -- whether that is admitted in public or not. The guy stroking the massive check in this case also thinks he's an NFL GM.

Dave can do that permitted he has an NIL opportunity worthy of a 3 million dollar valuation to provide once they are evaluated by an independent legal firm. Because appearing weekly on Pardon My Take isn't a 3 million dollar business endeavor.

Roll your eyes, but when this is all ironed out (and it's hit some snags and may get delayed a bit - along with the revenue sharing model), you soon won't be able to just go around town finding money to throw at players anymore under the fake premise of NIL. Dave Portnoy would be better off going to the University of Michigan, speaking with their athletic department, and discussing how they intend to fund the 21 million dollars for the revenue sharing. He could commit 3 million dollars annually to the university's athletic department, permitted he could get a guarantee that Michigan is paying 3 million to a QB in revenue sharing.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Dave Portnoy made headlines yesterday by stating he will pay 'upward' of $3m through NIL to get an elite QB to Michigan. He said he will do it yearly.


He's obviously an actual 'whale' and has the money. He's a Michigan alum and die hard. I'd be curious who then gets to 'pick' the QB.

Those who write $3m checks to athletic departments carry major weight -- whether that is admitted in public or not. The guy stroking the massive check in this case also thinks he's an NFL GM.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

That was a great show. I’m came away from it feeling like there are a lot of good liars at Michigan. Stalions himself came off as a likable dude. The kind of guy that would be fun to hang out with. He just loved Michigan football, and loved it so much he found himself on the sideline and a legitimate part of the system. Fascinating, but I don’t believe for a second Michigan was/is the only program doing it.

The Stalions memes are hilarious.

He fell on his sword, too - very, very rare in major athletics and in life.

Had he named names he could have probably brought the whole ship down.

No question just how powerful he was within that program. His title was irrelevant.

[EyeoftheHawk]

I finally got to watch the Connor Stalions show on Netflix. I thought it was fascinating.

Talk about things your average fan doesn't even consider. They are running military-grade covert opps. LOL.

That was a great show. I’m came away from it feeling like there are a lot of good liars at Michigan. Stalions himself came off as a likable dude. The kind of guy that would be fun to hang out with. He just loved Michigan football, and loved it so much he found himself on the sideline and a legitimate part of the system. Fascinating, but I don’t believe for a second Michigan was/is the only program doing it.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Defensive tackle for USC just announced his intentions to sit out the remainder of this year, redshirt, and transfer.

They have a problem on their hands.

That story has changed. He's actually not looking to transfer. He's unhappy with being a rotation player so he's shutting it down with the intention of coming back next year. Lol can't make this stuff up. He's even going to continue to practice with USC.

If Reilly keeps him that is F'd up. His teammates have to be thrilled.

They paid that dude a lot of coin. He was showing his LA apartment off, Cribs style, to ESPN in August.


D1 can play (4) games and still take a redshirt. Players opting to shut it down obviously wasn't the intention but now it's a thing.

[Chuck Norris]

Of note... Doesn't seem like the teammates really care about this kid packing his bags. I mean that strictly in the manner related to on field performance. It looks like many preferred the guy who is now being elevated to the starter. I know this dude who is leaving is a scrambler type, but his completion % was right around 40%. Players on the team are the ones saying these things.

I'm sure the above will go over extremely well with this crowd. I know, I know... 3-0.

I mean he’s 21-48 through 3 games. Certainly not great, but it’s not like he’s slinging it all over the yard and missing 60% of his throws. He’s not an NFL QB and doesn’t play like one. But there is a reason he’s 32-8 as a starter. If you watched the Kansas game, you saw it.

I certainly won’t argue with his teammates or blame them for any resentment. Maybe the other guy will be better. But somebody’s getting a real good college QB next year, they just better pay him, lol.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Of note... Doesn't seem like the teammates really care about this kid packing his bags. I mean that strictly in the manner related to on field performance. It looks like many preferred the guy who is now being elevated to the starter. I know this dude who is leaving is a scrambler type, but his completion % was right around 40%. Players on the team are the ones saying these things.

I'm sure the above will go over extremely well with this crowd. I know, I know... 3-0.

What do you expect them to say now? He's gone. The other guy is their option.

[IUP24]

Of note... Doesn't seem like the teammates really care about this kid packing his bags. I mean that strictly in the manner related to on field performance. It looks like many preferred the guy who is now being elevated to the starter. I know this dude who is leaving is a scrambler type, but his completion % was right around 40%. Players on the team are the ones saying these things.

I'm sure the above will go over extremely well with this crowd. I know, I know... 3-0.

[IUP24]

I don't think the players care. It's not their problem. They (star transfers) want money. They aren't signing up to be a pitchman. Whether that wasn't the intention or not -- today -- is irrelevant to these players. The star QB or WR or whatever that is highly coveted in essentially free agency goes to the highest bidder. I'd assume most of these stars say that other crap is for the birds. You want me, pay me. It's that simple. Some of these kids are making serious cash. Granted, the vast majority are making pizza money.

But, when you start talking about 19-year-olds making six figures to play a college sport ... well, that's a pretty good college job. I think I made $6/hour.

I fully understand how this has evolved -- but, it happened. The players are just reaping the benefit. It's not their problem to figure out. For some, this is a boom town in the Wild West. They are cashing in on booster fools willing to pay these kids mega amounts of money. Get it while you can. But, unlike the UNLV kid, GET the money.

Most don't. Lot of current and former players coming out and speaking about this. These are all handshake deals. All the more reason why the revenue sharing model, once it is implemented, is going to help to neutralize the collective's impact and NIL's stranglehold. It won't be perfect, and I am fully aware of that, but it will be much better than what we have now.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

That kid is a back up for them. Highly touted 5 star DT out of high school, went to Georgia for a year, then transferred to USC. A lot of hype and no production thus far. Him bouncing from program to program and not sticking with a DL coach will cost him big $ in the future.

In the old days this kid would be deemed a cancer and he'd end up at some lower level school. Quitting on your team in late September would have been a death sentence.

Not anymore, of course. He'll be at some other P4 playground come Spring Ball.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Does anybody care what his NIL deal was (in terms of the agreement)?

Who was he representing? What business was he branding for? Was he helping to push products for somebody? Was he paid to be an influencer for somebody?

I think this story properly articulates that nothing that was ever intended to occur with NIL is occurring. It’s just money getting paid in a back alley, but legally now. Getting told you will get 100,000 dollars to commit and play at UNLV is not NIL.

I don't think the players care. It's not their problem. They (star transfers) want money. They aren't signing up to be a pitchman. Whether that wasn't the intention or not -- today -- is irrelevant to these players. The star QB or WR or whatever that is highly coveted in essentially free agency goes to the highest bidder. I'd assume most of these stars say that other crap is for the birds. You want me, pay me. It's that simple. Some of these kids are making serious cash. Granted, the vast majority are making pizza money.

But, when you start talking about 19-year-olds making six figures to play a college sport ... well, that's a pretty good college job. I think I made $6/hour.

I fully understand how this has evolved -- but, it happened. The players are just reaping the benefit. It's not their problem to figure out. For some, this is a boom town in the Wild West. They are cashing in on booster fools willing to pay these kids mega amounts of money. Get it while you can. But, unlike the UNLV kid, GET the money.

[IUP24]

That kid is a back up for them. Highly touted 5 star DT out of high school, went to Georgia for a year, then transferred to USC. A lot of hype and no production thus far. Him bouncing from program to program and not sticking with a DL coach will cost him big $ in the future.

Will cost him the opportunity to play football at level where you actually get paid to do it.