PASSHE Institutions Merging

[iupgroundhog]

That said, I only see part of what's happening and really smart people are working on this. The Chancellor is great too and sometimes true visionaries are the only one to see their vision initially. They may be holding some of the plan back too. Kind of not revealing all the cards. So I'm trying to view it optimistically.

It doesn't matter how smart the people are who are working on this. As far as the Chancellor he may be confronting his Waterloo.

Actually, as I opined a long time ago, the politics and territorialism may be too much.

So far, Greenstein has yielded to the opposition rather than taking charge. Frankly, there was no need to integrate Bloomsburg in with Lock Haven and Mansfield. I believe that was a knee-jerk reaction to Slippery Rock effectively removing themselves from the original plan. Adding Bloom in had to be done to meet the financial goals after SRU blew off his plan. So, while I have immense respect for Greenstein and what he's accomplished over his career I don't think he's providing the necessary leadership to make this work.

The western schools (and that includes IUP) are the problem and decisive action is required. I don't see Greenstein taking that decisive action.

[boatcapt]

Let me guess...The first way out of this problem that each of these groups will propose is more money from Harrisburg...and the first thing they will do with that money is to stop the layoffs of faculty and staff!!!

[complaint_hopeful]

Nothing more than what's been already made public. I can confirm that there are doubts all around.

I heard a similar rumor about the doubt. I have no clue if it's true or if it was planted by someone that wants it to fail.

Personally, I'm concerned about the tight time frame, the really high costs, and I don't know that the redesign is going far enough towards reimagining higher Ed.

That said, I only see part of what's happening and really smart people are working on this. The Chancellor is great too and sometimes true visionaries are the only one to see their vision initially. They may be holding some of the plan back too. Kind of not revealing all the cards. So I'm trying to view it optimistically.

[Fightingscot82]

Yep. And this Integration has a VERY TIGHT timeframe. Like there are some major projects that need to happen to hit the timeframe and they are condensed so this will need worked through quick.

Do you know more details about the specifics?

Nothing more than what's been already made public. I can confirm that there are doubts all around.

[complaint_hopeful]

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[complaint_hopeful]

APSCUF has successfully led a pause of the "academic alignment" of the Cal-Clarion-Edinboro integration. Word spreading this week that PASSHE legal advised all work to stop while the system and the union work out details.

There have also been two pro-PASSHE lobbying groups emerging online. One, Save Our State Schools, is very polished and I assume led or at least backed by the faculty union. The second, is little more than a Twitter account "PA Publics" and seems less polished and most likely some non-higher ed folks like alumni or community members opposing the integrations.

Yep. And this Integration has a VERY TIGHT timeframe. Like there are some major projects that need to happen to hit the timeframe and they are condensed so this will need worked through quick.

Do you know more details about the specifics?

[Fightingscot82]

Where is the online presence of the two groups found?

Twitter. The former has a website without much content.

[BADinPA]

APSCUF has successfully led a pause of the "academic alignment" of the Cal-Clarion-Edinboro integration. Word spreading this week that PASSHE legal advised all work to stop while the system and the union work out details.

There have also been two pro-PASSHE lobbying groups emerging online. One, Save Our State Schools, is very polished and I assume led or at least backed by the faculty union. The second, is little more than a Twitter account "PA Publics" and seems less polished and most likely some non-higher ed folks like alumni or community members opposing the integrations.

Where is the online presence of the two groups found?

[Fightingscot82]

APSCUF has successfully led a pause of the "academic alignment" of the Cal-Clarion-Edinboro integration. Word spreading this week that PASSHE legal advised all work to stop while the system and the union work out details.

There have also been two pro-PASSHE lobbying groups emerging online. One, Save Our State Schools, is very polished and I assume led or at least backed by the faculty union. The second, is little more than a Twitter account "PA Publics" and seems less polished and most likely some non-higher ed folks like alumni or community members opposing the integrations.

[Fightingscot82]

Some help for PASSHE

https://www.abc27.com/news/pennsylva...rship-program/

This is a great program. As with all great ideas in PA, they challenge is how to pay for it. Back to the program, it will be very beneficial to PASSHE if they can find a way to (fund) pass it. The challenge is that PASSHE as an extension of the state can't lobby. They can send people to Harrisburg to mingle during open office hours and they can testify before state legislative committees, but they can't employ lobbyists and certainly can't be too critical of the legislature. However, Penn State and Pitt can. Private colleges are very organized for lobbying and are probably the strongest lobbying force in PA higher ed. This program will hurt them the most - it will convince a lot of rural and working class Pennsylvanians to choose a PASSHE school over the perception of greater quality from a private school.

In other PASSHE news, the president of Clarion/Edinboro announced that they're planning full steam ahead for a relatively back to normal fall semester. Some of that may be an admissions strategy but that's good news.

[Bart]

Some help for PASSHE

https://www.abc27.com/news/pennsylva...rship-program/

[Fightingscot82]

What WILL eventually be needed in PA is a closure law similar to BRAC used by the Federal government to close and realign military bases. The difference with what is underway now is that BRAC determines a top-down view and forces realignment and closures. The law creating BRAC takes all recommendations to Congress and the package gets passed in total or not. It always passes as Congressional delegations that are pissed are outnumbered. Some bases get closed and some merged and some expanded, etc... The way PA is approaching this now leaves each institution to figure it out which can result in a myopic view. All institutions of higher education, state, and state-related universities, as well as community colleges, should be included. Like BRAC, this shouldn't be a one-time process. By doing it over a series of years, the legislative delegations that disagree will be kept small. BRAC works.

If that were the case, Pitt and Penn State would be reduced to a handful of campuses between them. A lot of those branches are failing enterprises that make PASSHE look salvageable.

We need more community colleges in PA, too, not fewer. PA has a patchwork collection of higher ed options, not a comprehensive strategy responsive to the needs of all in PA.

[BADinPA]

What WILL eventually be needed in PA is a closure law similar to BRAC used by the Federal government to close and realign military bases. The difference with what is underway now is that BRAC determines a top-down view and forces realignment and closures. The law creating BRAC takes all recommendations to Congress and the package gets passed in total or not. It always passes as Congressional delegations that are pissed are outnumbered. Some bases get closed and some merged and some expanded, etc... The way PA is approaching this now leaves each institution to figure it out which can result in a myopic view. All institutions of higher education, state, and state-related universities, as well as community colleges, should be included. Like BRAC, this shouldn't be a one-time process. By doing it over a series of years, the legislative delegations that disagree will be kept small. BRAC works.

[boatcapt]

Some people affiliated with West Chester raised the question and tried to get that momentum building. PASSHE put the kibosh on that quickly.

I believe the legal opinion is that West Chester would have to buy its independence from the state for the market value of the campus. That's gotta be several billion dollars of which they have nothing close.

Jeez...And you wonder why the whole system is failing. Can't win...can't break even...can't even quit the game...

[Fightingscot82]

You wonder if one of these schools could just say screw it and try to walk away from the PASSHE. Didn't West Chester contemplate it a couple years back? Obviously, most aren't in that position to even consider it.

Some people affiliated with West Chester raised the question and tried to get that momentum building. PASSHE put the kibosh on that quickly.

I believe the legal opinion is that West Chester would have to buy its independence from the state for the market value of the campus. That's gotta be several billion dollars of which they have nothing close.