OT: NFL

[laker]

The Vikings' Jordan Addison is getting at least 3 games.

Wonder how long until that idiot kills somebody?

I don't understand why the justice system is easier on athletes than on the rest of the public. Three games isn't enough, give him prison time during the season. Otherwise they don't get the message that this could kill someone.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The Vikings' Jordan Addison is getting at least 3 games.

Wonder how long until that idiot kills somebody?

[crixus]

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[IUPNation]

Oh he'll be quiet for sure. The clipboard holder doesn't say much. His wife will get more press in Philly than he will. I think she wanted to be the next Brittany Mahomes.

He won’t have the rug pulled out from under him either.

[IUP24]

See: Baker Mayfield.

Mayfield wasn't exactly QB1 material in Cleveland (then again, who is these days?) and it took stops in Carolina and LA before settling into his role in Tampa Bay where he was inconsistent, but better more often than not with the Bucs.

Not sure I agree. Maybe he wasn’t a top end QB, but Baker Mayfield won a playoff game for Cleveland and nearly beat KC in Arrowhead the next week. Had he remained as the QB, I would argue Cleveland would clearly be a better team.

All that money tied up in Watson. Imagine building everything else around that they did, having Mayfield, and still having extra cash to burn. That would likely be one of the three best teams in football. Be hard to disagree with that.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Will Steeler fans be able to let it go and move on? I have to think Pickett already has.

Not much else to talk about. In a week no Steelers fan will care.

[ctrabs74]

Hopefullly this will be a 'redshirt' year for Fields where he can watch and learn the NFL game better.

We see -- year after year after year -- these highly successful college QBs get drafted high by the dregs of the NFL. They get thrown in to the fire way too soon -- with very little talent and protection. For most, it's the first time in their playing careers they are unsuccessful, and their confidence goes in the tank. Chicago is going to do it again here real shortly with the kid from USC.

There are a lot of Justin Fields-type QBs who are born again after they land at another team. The Steelers are a tremendously more stable and overall better situation for Fields.

As you said, $25m for a starting QB is chump change in the NFL. Consider Denver is paying Russell Wilson $38m this upcoming season to NOT play for them.

See: Baker Mayfield.

Mayfield wasn't exactly QB1 material in Cleveland (then again, who is these days?) and it took stops in Carolina and LA before settling into his role in Tampa Bay where he was inconsistent, but better more often than not with the Bucs.

[ctrabs74]

We are living in some sort of alternate universe. These are not the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is crazy.

No kidding. Between the Russell Wilson and Justin Fields trades, plus the splashes the Steelers have made in free agency, it's very clear that Art II is giving GM Omar Khan a lot more leeway to deviate from the "Steelers Way" of handling their offseason business.

After all, the Steelers kinda have to keep up with not only the Baltimorons, but also the rest of the AFC, particularly a Houston Texans teams which has made some decent moves in free agency and looks to be a potential contender if they can give CJ Stroud a consistent offensive line.

[Chuck Norris]

He was a star QB on two Yinzerburgh teams for a few years and got done dirty by the Stillers front office and the fans turned on him like Yinzers usually do to QB's not performing like Bradshaw or Bloated Bluto.

Fresh start on your favorite team back near home......he needs to just be quiet now.

Kenny didn’t get done any dirtier than Mitch Trubisky did. They brought Mitch in to be the starter and immediately drafted a guy from Pitt in the first round. Talk about being set up to fail. That’s the NFL. Unless you’re elite, they’re always looking to replace you with somebody better. Kenny seemed to think he was above that, maybe he thought his first round pick status protected him, despite the fact he was awful.

[iupgroundhog]

Will Steeler fans be able to let it go and move on? I have to think Pickett already has.

[Ram040506]

Pickett came into the league at 24 when most guys do so at 22 or 23. Just as a fun example, Pickett is 2 months older than the guy he might be backing up in Philly but has 2 fewer seasons of NFL experience. He was old for a draftee and no amount of would’ve/could’ve about redshirting is going to change that. As for the idea that most QBs play their way into the first round in their final year I’d need to see some serious numbers. Usually guys who ball out as sophomores or juniors tend to be the ones with draft hype. Not that no one ever surprises late but the tippy-top of prospects separate themselves early in their careers. In general age; especially relative to competition is a big filter for pro athletic success in multiple sports (football, basketball, and baseball at least). Guys who don’t perform well until they’re older than the competition have historically made poor pro prospects because their late spike in performance is often a sign they’re beating up on guys less developed/experienced than them more so than a sign they’ve truly improved their game.

Kyler Murray played sparingly at Texas AM then was the back up to Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma for a season. Then he balled out and won the heisman as a junior, to be the #1 pick and has had an up and down career so far. Jury still out I guess on his career.

Joe Burrow came out of nowhere his senior year at LSU, he was older as well like Pickett. Think most would say he's one of the top 5 qbs in the world now.

Dwayne Haskins sat for 2 seasons at Ohio State, had one pretty outstanding season and was a first round pick when many thought he should have stayed in school.

Mitchell Trubisky sat for 2 seasons at UNC, then started his junior year and had a great season that made him a #2 pick in the draft.

Brandon Weeden had a big senior season to catapult him into first round discussion, eventually being taken in the first round at #22. His senior season and rise as an older prospect is somewhat similar to Pickett.

Cam Newton, 1 good season at Auburn and ends up as the top pick in the draft.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

He was a star QB on two Yinzerburgh teams for a few years and got done dirty by the Stillers front office and the fans turned on him like Yinzers usually do to QB's not performing like Bradshaw or Bloated Bluto.

Fresh start on your favorite team back near home......he needs to just be quiet now.

Oh he'll be quiet for sure. The clipboard holder doesn't say much. His wife will get more press in Philly than he will. I think she wanted to be the next Brittany Mahomes.

[IUPNation]

He was a star QB on two Yinzerburgh teams for a few years and got done dirty by the Stillers front office and the fans turned on him like Yinzers usually do to QB's not performing like Bradshaw or Bloated Bluto.

Fresh start on your favorite team back near home......he needs to just be quiet now.

[IUP24]

Pickett came into the league at 24 when most guys do so at 22 or 23. Just as a fun example, Pickett is 2 months older than the guy he might be backing up in Philly but has 2 fewer seasons of NFL experience. He was old for a draftee and no amount of would’ve/could’ve about redshirting is going to change that. As for the idea that most QBs play their way into the first round in their final year I’d need to see some serious numbers. Usually guys who ball out as sophomores or juniors tend to be the ones with draft hype. Not that no one ever surprises late but the tippy-top of prospects separate themselves early in their careers. In general age; especially relative to competition is a big filter for pro athletic success in multiple sports (football, basketball, and baseball at least). Guys who don’t perform well until they’re older than the competition have historically made poor pro prospects because their late spike in performance is often a sign they’re beating up on guys less developed/experienced than them more so than a sign they’ve truly improved their game.

You and I aren’t aligned - and won’t be - on this topic. Our assessments and views on it are different. That’s okay. Agree to disagree.

Pickett wasn’t the first 5th year senior quarterback to enter the NFL draft. He won’t be the last either. In a previous era, a lot of those guys existed. We are splitting hairs regarding months in a calendar year for his birthday falling in the summer of his academic year and draft class. In general, him turning 24 4-6 months earlier than guys in the same academic year is hardly a reason to be down on a player. But I digress. If the same guy exists that is 21, you probably lean towards taking the younger guy, for sure.

Regarding what you would call a “late bloomer,” I think anymore players just leave when it’s opportune to do so. You see so few guys sticking around until they are seniors anymore because they just strike when the iron is hot and bolt for the league. If you closely follow major college football, you can also recognize that more quarterbacks are starting for programs earlier in their college careers than ever before. If coaches don’t do that, they would transfer as soon as they could. Thus, the players have the necessary film and they bolt earlier than they did previously. To your point, Pickett didn’t have that tape earlier in his Pitt career. Did that mean Kenny was horrible, or were those Pitt teams just not very good?

You still have to play and put your work on film, but generally, the guys at the high end schools tend to excel and excel quickly because they are surrounded by so much sheer talent around them at every position. But if you play at an Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc., you have NFL guys at every position. I’m not saying it’s “easy,” but you are generally able to do your job more effectively at the QB position because of it. But I think we’d agree, those guys aren’t guarantees either. Most of those guys fail too.

My worry about Pickett as a Steelers fan from day one wasn’t that he couldn’t be a good NFL QB. It was that he wouldn’t be a good NFL QB on a team that had other pieces missing. That has nothing to do with him being a few months older than somebody else. Generally speaking, talent is relative to the level you are playing at. It took being surrounded by exceptional talent on a Pitt team that was undoubtedly a top end team in 2021 to have the type of year he did. That tells me he isn’t the type of guy that’s going to elevate people around him, but can be good when he’s in the right environment, surrounded by the right people. The Steelers were just a bad landing spot. It was a putrid OL. The WRs didn’t move the needle (don’t care what anyone thought of Johnson or thinks of Pickens - those guys aren’t “elite” by definition). His tight end can’t block and is hardly used in their offense. And their running game tended to be pretty inconsistent behind a bad OL. It just wasn’t the right spot for a guy that perhaps needed a Brock Purdy-like situation to walk into. That’s not defense of Pickett. That’s just objectively looking at the situation and story arc.

[TheBigCat2192]

Pickett was the same age exiting college as every other year senior who stays for a 5th year. If he had an early birthday, he had an early birthday, but he had no additional games under his belt. In his true freshman year, he took snaps in 4 games. In today's game, he would have still been eligible for a redshirt. So I'm not sure his age has anything to do with anything. Sean Clifford played more college football games at Penn State and was older than Pickett leaving college. There were others too. But that seemingly never got talked about. I get one was a first round pick and the others weren't however.

Generally, quarterbacks play their way into the first round in their last year of college football. That's not unique to Pickett. Sure, it was a bad class. But your general point is that one high level of college football was a red flag. You can/should say that about a ton of guys. Most 1st round quarterbacks end up being busts.

I'm not defending Pickett. I think he was horrific at the NFL level. I'm trying to explain that there's more context than what you are just saying. You can say the exact same thing you wrote in your post about plenty of guys over the years.

Pickett came into the league at 24 when most guys do so at 22 or 23. Just as a fun example, Pickett is 2 months older than the guy he might be backing up in Philly but has 2 fewer seasons of NFL experience. He was old for a draftee and no amount of would’ve/could’ve about redshirting is going to change that. As for the idea that most QBs play their way into the first round in their final year I’d need to see some serious numbers. Usually guys who ball out as sophomores or juniors tend to be the ones with draft hype. Not that no one ever surprises late but the tippy-top of prospects separate themselves early in their careers. In general age; especially relative to competition is a big filter for pro athletic success in multiple sports (football, basketball, and baseball at least). Guys who don’t perform well until they’re older than the competition have historically made poor pro prospects because their late spike in performance is often a sign they’re beating up on guys less developed/experienced than them more so than a sign they’ve truly improved their game.