Jay Z (Sean Carter) Buying 5% of the Steelers.

[IUPNation]

Jay Z (Sean Carter) Buying 5% of the Steelers.

I've said multiple times on this message board that Ben Roethlisberger was never charged with anything. Prior to Zeke Elliot last year, Roethlisberger was the only player in the history of the National Football League to be suspended for a crime he was never found guilty of. And unlike many organizations who fight everything the NFL does, the Steelers and the Rooney's accepted the discipline when, technically speaking, there was nothing substantial to discipline Roethlisberger for.

I can't believe that a decade later we are still talking about this. Was there some questionable behavior early in his career? Absolutely. But we can't go around blindly calling people rapists when they were never found guilty of a crime. There was zero evidence to even move forward with a trial for the accusation that was brought against him.

There are a lot worse people playing professional sports than Ben Roethlisberger. People change. Michael Vick (who paid his debt to society mind you) said that you aren't the same person you are at 35 that you were at 25. Across the board, Ben Roethlisberger has grown up considerably since early in his career. I recognize that doesn't fit the narrative that many people want to create for him though.

[IUP24]

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See my post. He was never found guilty of rape. You can't call a man a rapist for an accusation that wasn't even brought to trial.

[IUP24]

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Do you realize how dangerous of a world that is? You're suggesting he's guilty because somebody said he did it. Do you understand how fundamentally wrong and dangerous that is? The entire basis of our judicial system is innocent until proven guilty. We're judged in court by a jury of our peers. You can't spend a lifetime smearing somebody for an accusation that didn't have enough substance to even be brought to trial.

I don't think you understand how dangerous that is. I'm not trying to argue. That's a dangerous way to treat the judicial system. Frightening actually.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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See my post. He was never found guilty of rape. You can't call a man a rapist for an accusation that wasn't even brought to trial.

OJ wasn't guilty of murder, either.

[IUP24]

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Honest question... Does anybody else follow that other conferences/regions and their threads on the message board? There is no chance that any other conference is as argumentative and volatile as this one is.

I don't remember it being like this 2-3 years ago.

[IUP24]

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OJ wasn't guilty of murder, either.

Correct. He wasn't.

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Honest question... Does anybody else follow that other conferences/regions and their threads on the message board? There is no chance that any other conference is as argumentative and volatile as this one is.

I don't remember it being like this 2-3 years ago.

I started posting on here in 2000, and it hasn't changed a bit.

[IUP24]

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I started posting on here in 2000, and it hasn't changed a bit.

I guess that's good to know then. Good to know it's always been crazy.

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[IUP24]

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Colin Kaepernick does not have a job because NFL owners don't want the distraction of having him on their team. Which is 100% their right to do as owners and employers. The NFL is a business, not a social justice initiative. When their paying customers turned off the televisions, booed at players not participating in the national anthem, and didn't show up in the same numbers to their stadiums they took notice. You have to know your audience and paying customers. NFL fans don't show up to games to watch millionaires protest the police. Regardless, I think Colin Kaepernick ended up okay out of all of this. He gets paid millions of dollars to not get his brain beat in on the football field while telling Nike that a shoe that has the Betsy Ross flag is offensive.

You must have missed where I said Roethlisberger "grew up." And at the end of the day, I believe in the judicial system. I don't believe that someone should have their life ruined because somebody makes an accusation. That's a dangerous life to live. Unfortunately, I believe that far too many people in this country want that out of our judicial system. That's a very scary premise for a court system.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Colin Kaepernick does not have a job because NFL owners don't want the distraction of having him on their team. Which is 100% their right to do as owners and employers. The NFL is a business, not a social justice initiative. When their paying customers turned off the televisions, booed at players not participating in the national anthem, and didn't show up in the same numbers to their stadiums they took notice. You have to know your audience and paying customers. NFL fans don't show up to games to watch millionaires protest the police. Regardless, I think Colin Kaepernick ended up okay out of all of this. He gets paid millions of dollars to not get his brain beat in on the football field while telling Nike that a shoe that has the Betsy Ross flag is offensive.

You must have missed where I said Roethlisberger "grew up." And at the end of the day, I believe in the judicial system. I don't believe that someone should have their life ruined because somebody makes an accusation. That's a dangerous life to live. Unfortunately, I believe that far too many people in this country want that out of our judicial system. That's a very scary premise for a court system.

Ben was accused twice. Keep in mind Yinzer Royalty himself, Jerome Bettis, was also wrongfully accused by a gold digger.

[IUP24]

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Ben was accused twice. Keep in mind Yinzer Royalty himself, Jerome Bettis, was also wrongfully accused by a gold digger.

Right. The incident that occurred in Lake Tahoe at a golf pro-am was thrown out almost instantaneously. The cocktail waitress had text messages on her phone to her boyfriend at the time saying she was going to accuse him of sexual assault when she saw him there. When the case was thrown out immediately her statement was that the Harrah's Casino was siding against her. Even after the evidence blew up in her accusation, she continued to make claims. Both parties, the Harrah's and Roethlisberger reached a civil agreement to make the story simply go away. That doesn't mean he raped anyone. And I know you know that.

Keep in mind that I like the Steelers, but am not, as you say, a "Yinzer."

There was always more material to anything that might have happened in Milledgeville, Georgia. But the accuser refused to take a rape test. Police gave her the opportunity to provide a statement on a polygraph, but she refused. Her story changed numerous times. I get people want to create the narrative they want to create, but I'm not in the business of calling someone something that they were not found guilty of. I believe in due process and innocent until proven guilty.

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