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  • CALUPA69
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    Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
    I posted this the last time LHU was searching for a new coach. I'll stand by it.
    Oh wait are we talking theoretical or real. In theory you're 100% on target. In reality I'd suggest option A or B but prefer B.

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  • Matt Burglund
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    I posted this the last time LHU was searching for a new coach. I'll stand by it.

    Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
    I don't know anything about anything, but if I was Lock Haven, this is what I'd do:
    • Hire someone who has been a head coach before and who has a defensive background.
    • Have him hire an OC who has a background in the Triple Option or something of that nature.
    • Have your HC be your DC.
    • Take your limited scholarship money and put it into the best QB you can find who ran your offense in high school. If he's out of state, get him anyway. Money shouldn't be a consideration on this.
    • Put a few dollars into a serviceable backup because your QB is going to take a beating.
    • Put the rest of your money into linemen on both sides of the ball. You can get all the 5-10, 180-pound RBs and 5-11, 200-pound LBs you need locally.
    • On defense, don't do anything risky. Play a simple base and try to keep things in front of you. Be competitive on the line of scrimmage. Stress fundamentals like tackling and leverage.
    • Basic philosophy should be to run the ball and eat the clock on offense and limit the big plays on defense. Don't let games get out of hand.

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  • Matt Burglund
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    How many black head coaches are there in the PSAC?
    That's a great point. The answer is not enough. Outside of Cheyney, the only two I can think of in the 71-year history of the PSAC are Isaac Collins (Seton Hill) and JC Morgan (Millersville).


    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    While a lot of schools offer those kinds of programs, LHU's are really highly rated and they would do well to exploit that in their recruiting.
    That's a nice sentiment, but over my career, if I had a nickel for every PSAC player who has told me that they picked their school because of the reputation of a certain academic program, I'd have about 20 cents.

    Like when IUP's financial problems became public, I heard some people suggest the university could save money if it discontinued the football program. What they don't realize is that enrollment would immediately dip by ~100 students because the entire football roster would hit the transfer portal.


    Originally posted by Cavalier 1 View Post
    No PSAC experience, just like the last two coaches.
    That's only relevant if the entire staff is the same way.


    Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Best (only) options are keeping the interim or finding a +40 LHU ALUM whose working as a OC/DC somewhere and hope he's willing take one for the old school.
    They tried that with John Klacik from 2005 to 2010. Of the 107 men who have coached at least 45 games in the entire history of the PSAC, only one has a worse career-winning percentage than Klacik (.093).

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  • CALUPA69
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    Real money. Not coupon codes.
    Of the 4 PASSHE/PSAC bottom dwellers in the last ten years LHU and MILL are the two most hopeless. Average record for both is 2-9 with zero winning seasons. Given the traditional contract constraints, not to say the current fiscal crisis, I cannot imagine what amount of money could possibly inspire a coach worthy of the title to consider the job. Best (only) options are keeping the interim or finding a +40 LHU ALUM whose working as a OC/DC somewhere and hope he's willing take one for the old school. CALU was very lucky that Gary Dunn was a former VULCAN, 43 and had realized he wasn't likely to move beyond the coordinator level in FCS. Now at 48 I can see him hanging around another 10-15 years. That is assuming FB is still being played in the Valley.

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  • RockNation
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    Problem is he could be a great salesman but when the money hits the paper ... he has nothing to offer.

    The upper tier offers double the money and Mommy and Daddy get real excited.

    He gets the diamonds leftover but then they experience a 1-10 season and then play for SRU the next year.

    It's an unfair league.

    Always said ... put Tort, Dunne or Lutz at LH or Clarion ... and they'd all likely be canned quickly, too.

    Key to the PSAC is money. Follow the $ and you'll see the W's.

    agree 100%

    can't win without money. There are some places you cannot win, even if you're Nick Saban.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    Problem is he could be a great salesman but when the money hits the paper ... he has nothing to offer.

    The upper tier offers double the money and Mommy and Daddy get real excited.

    He gets the diamonds leftover but then they experience a 1-10 season and then play for SRU the next year.

    It's an unfair league.

    Always said ... put Tort, Dunne or Lutz at LH or Clarion ... and they'd all likely be canned quickly, too.

    Key to the PSAC is money. Follow the $ and you'll see the W's.
    Real money. Not coupon codes.

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  • Cavalier 1
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

    I didn't say recruiting wasn't important. What I question is the idea that in every case you need somebody who is "a PSAC guy" or who has pre-established connections in PA. They should advertise the position as head Coach/Miracle Worker but you never know where you find somebody with strong intangibles who can improve on a situation like that.
    LOL, like the advertised position, so right!!! Calling Bill Snyder.

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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by Cavalier 1 View Post

    Recruiting is never down the list. It will determine your success or failure possibilities along with the funding. You can be an average coach and win in the PSAC with great funding. But, you can't be an average coach and win with limited funding in the PSAC. Rock, Ship, ESU, Kutz, WCU, IUP, have coaches and staff that know the recruiting areas very well. And, they keep winning. LHU needs to find a guy who can compete in recruiting with those schools. Hubs has been at LHU a couple of months. As far as the best candidate, LHU hasn't gotten it right in a while. We will see. It's a mess right now.
    I didn't say recruiting wasn't important. What I question is the idea that in every case you need somebody who is "a PSAC guy" or who has pre-established connections in PA. They should advertise the position as head Coach/Miracle Worker but you never know where you find somebody with strong intangibles who can improve on a situation like that.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Cavalier 1 View Post

    Recruiting is never down the list. It will determine your success or failure possibilities along with the funding. You can be an average coach and win in the PSAC with great funding. But, you can't be an average coach and win with limited funding in the PSAC. Rock, Ship, ESU, Kutz, WCU, IUP, have coaches and staff that know the recruiting areas very well. And, they keep winning. LHU needs to find a guy who can compete in recruiting with those schools. Hubs has been at LHU a couple of months. As far as the best candidate, LHU hasn't gotten it right in a while. We will see. It's a mess right now.
    Problem is he could be a great salesman but when the money hits the paper ... he has nothing to offer.

    The upper tier offers double the money and Mommy and Daddy get real excited.

    He gets the diamonds leftover but then they experience a 1-10 season and then play for SRU the next year.

    It's an unfair league.

    Always said ... put Tort, Dunne or Lutz at LH or Clarion ... and they'd all likely be canned quickly, too.

    Key to the PSAC is money. Follow the $ and you'll see the W's.

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  • Cavalier 1
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

    I think that in LHU's situation the PA recruiting experience might be overrated. It's a factor, but might be down the list if the applicant has other qualities. LHU will pick who they think is the best applicant but Hubbard has a good profile. He's got 16 years of college coaching experience, he's been both an OC and a DC, and he's internal. He's a minority candidate. How many black head coaches are there in the PSAC?

    I also like the fact that he completed master's degrees at LHU in Sports Psychology and Sports Management. I think LHU will be selling those programs to athletes in the future and he would be a great ambassador since he is an alumnus. While a lot of schools offer those kinds of programs, LHU's are really highly rated and they would do well to exploit that in their recruiting.

    But, who knows, maybe other great applicants will materialize.
    Recruiting is never down the list. It will determine your success or failure possibilities along with the funding. You can be an average coach and win in the PSAC with great funding. But, you can't be an average coach and win with limited funding in the PSAC. Rock, Ship, ESU, Kutz, WCU, IUP, have coaches and staff that know the recruiting areas very well. And, they keep winning. LHU needs to find a guy who can compete in recruiting with those schools. Hubs has been at LHU a couple of months. As far as the best candidate, LHU hasn't gotten it right in a while. We will see. It's a mess right now.

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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by Cavalier 1 View Post

    I don't think so. No PSAC experience, just like the last two coaches. The program was more stable when Coach Allen, a PSAC guy was there. Since then, with changes in administration, etc. and coaches, they need some stability there. Running through the wall only lasts so long, especially brick. I think Kelling would be great at Frostburg, knows the job and territory.
    I think that in LHU's situation the PA recruiting experience might be overrated. It's a factor, but might be down the list if the applicant has other qualities. LHU will pick who they think is the best applicant but Hubbard has a good profile. He's got 16 years of college coaching experience, he's been both an OC and a DC, and he's internal. He's a minority candidate. How many black head coaches are there in the PSAC?

    I also like the fact that he completed master's degrees at LHU in Sports Psychology and Sports Management. I think LHU will be selling those programs to athletes in the future and he would be a great ambassador since he is an alumnus. While a lot of schools offer those kinds of programs, LHU's are really highly rated and they would do well to exploit that in their recruiting.

    But, who knows, maybe other great applicants will materialize.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by Cavalier 1 View Post

    I don't think so. No PSAC experience, just like the last two coaches. The program was more stable when Coach Allen, a PSAC guy was there. Since then, with changes in administration, etc. and coaches, they need some stability there. Running through the wall only lasts so long, especially brick. I think Kelling would be great at Frostburg, knows the job and territory.
    Ehh.

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  • Ram040506
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  • Cavalier 1
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    Originally posted by MIAAFAN1985 View Post

    Lock Haven should look to make this a permanent hire. Phenomenal leader of men and has great experience on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. I'm sure the players already love him and would run through a brick wall for Coach Hubbard
    I don't think so. No PSAC experience, just like the last two coaches. The program was more stable when Coach Allen, a PSAC guy was there. Since then, with changes in administration, etc. and coaches, they need some stability there. Running through the wall only lasts so long, especially brick. I think Kelling would be great at Frostburg, knows the job and territory.

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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by MIAAFAN1985 View Post

    Lock Haven should look to make this a permanent hire. Phenomenal leader of men and has great experience on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. I'm sure the players already love him and would run through a brick wall for Coach Hubbard
    Looking at his background, I would agree. Of course, they do have to do a search and see what's out there but Hubbard would certainly seem to be a very viable candidate.

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