PSAC 2023 (Week 1) Non-Conference Games

[WarriorVoice]

A number of blowouts but I doubt there was any sneering about running up the score coming from certain broadcast booths at the time and never a meanie message on the scoreboard at Mansfield or Cheyney.

You should write a book about it, or seek therapy, because you're really hung up on one of the most insignificant things to ever happen at a football game. In fact, it wasn't part of the game at all...Can't find any mention of it in the box score. It only matters to you.

[IUPNation]

I can imagine some of the stat lines hung on those teams, too.

A number of blowouts but I doubt there was any sneering about running up the score coming from certain broadcast booths at the time and never a meanie message on the scoreboard at Mansfield or Cheyney.

[Ram040506]

Every league has doormats. Every conference has at least 2-3 of them.

[Ship69]

I can imagine some of the stat lines hung on those teams, too.

Seton Hill has finally improved some the past couple of years. Their first few years in the league were certainly stat builders for the West, plus Ship when we got to play them.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Again Frank beat everyone.

IUP fans can also subtract out the almost unbeaten records of former East coaches vs Mansfield and Cheyney to get their real resume.

I can imagine some of the stat lines hung on those teams, too.

[IUPNation]

IUP offers a Masters Degree in Selective Memory?

Again Frank beat everyone.

IUP fans can also subtract out the almost unbeaten records of former East coaches vs Mansfield and Cheyney to get their real resume.

[IUPNation]

Well, don't forget that Lock Haven was in the Western Division for quite a few years, and they were hardly a ball of fire.

Yeah but Frank beat everyone. That’s why he was punished.

[WarriorVoice]

Well, don't forget that Lock Haven was in the Western Division for quite a few years, and they were hardly a ball of fire.

IUP offers a Masters Degree in Selective Memory?

[Fightingscot82]

It's isn't only athletes who cover the cost of sports programs. Most schools use a chunk of student activity fees for sports. When enrollment drops to the extent that Cheyney's did, that's pulling out quite a bit of money.

Yep. The athletes are also funding athletics. There are very few activity fee waivers - and in PASSHE true athletic scholarships are real money so they don't affect revenue.

[Ship69]

Mansfield dropped NCAA football and had athletics start a glorified club team. Yeah, they play Ivies and service academies but people in Tioga County don't necessarily identify with or embrace Yalies even if they're playing the beloved hometown Mounties LOL. Cheyney dropped all NCAA programs and kept M/W basketball and women's volleyball - playing an independent schedule without any sort of classification or league membership. They played everything from NCCSA to D3 to D2 but were able to keep their annual game vs Lincoln.

Both moves were shortsighted. Mansfield struggles to maintain a roster and a coaching staff. It seems that every year they're searching for 2 or 3 coaches. The alumni didn't line up to support Mansfield any better than the bottom third of the conference but they sure as heck don't support sprite football or twink football or whatever its called. Cheyney's dropping of athletics was a REALLY dumb financial mood because athletes were a good chunk of their enrollment and it made their need to be financially solvent even more difficult. But it was a drastic move that allowed their president to show the state and corporate partners that they were making big changes (sound familiar?). Mansfield football struggled because of facilities, funding, and location. Every once in a while they got a stud - remember Pooh Bear MacNeil? Cheyney suffered from all of those things but especially scholarship funding and the school's inability to attract quality students who could afford to pay what grants & scholarships didn't cover. Their retention rate is abysmal because they're recruiting some of the poorest and least academically prepared high school students. Cheyney needs to figure out how to price themselves that a full Pell eligible student can go for free between Pell & PHEAA grants. Debt free college is debt free college.

It's isn't only athletes who cover the cost of sports programs. Most schools use a chunk of student activity fees for sports. When enrollment drops to the extent that Cheyney's did, that's pulling out quite a bit of money.

[Ship69]

Twink Foosball…Good One!!


If it wasn’t for Mansfield and Cheyney, some coaches in the past in the East wouldn't have as pretty a resume.

Im not naming names.

:-)

Well, don't forget that Lock Haven was in the Western Division for quite a few years, and they were hardly a ball of fire.

[IUPNation]

Mansfield dropped NCAA football and had athletics start a glorified club team. Yeah, they play Ivies and service academies but people in Tioga County don't necessarily identify with or embrace Yalies even if they're playing the beloved hometown Mounties LOL. Cheyney dropped all NCAA programs and kept M/W basketball and women's volleyball - playing an independent schedule without any sort of classification or league membership. They played everything from NCCSA to D3 to D2 but were able to keep their annual game vs Lincoln.

Both moves were shortsighted. Mansfield struggles to maintain a roster and a coaching staff. It seems that every year they're searching for 2 or 3 coaches. The alumni didn't line up to support Mansfield any better than the bottom third of the conference but they sure as heck don't support sprite football or twink football or whatever it’s and Nansfield called. Cheyney's dropping of athletics was a REALLY dumb financial mood because athletes were a good chunk of their enrollment and it made their need to be financially solvent even more difficult. But it was a drastic move that allowed their president to show the state and corporate partners that they were making big changes (sound familiar?). Mansfield football struggled because of facilities, funding, and location. Every once in a while they got a stud - remember Pooh Bear MacNeil? Cheyney suffered from all of those things but especially scholarship funding and the school's inability to attract quality students who could afford to pay what grants & scholarships didn't cover. Their retention rate is abysmal because they're recruiting some of the poorest and least academically prepared high school students. Cheyney needs to figure out how to price themselves that a full Pell eligible student can go for free between Pell & PHEAA grants. Debt free college is debt free college.

Twink Foosball…Good One!!


If it wasn’t for Mansfield and Cheyney, some coaches in the past in the East wouldn't have as pretty a resume.

Im not naming names.

:-)

[ctrabs74]

I, too, think the decision to drop a football program goes beyond the pure accounting math. For example, what are the factors which led Mansfield and Cheyney to shut their intercollegiate teams down?

In the case of LH, I don't think having a perennially bad team shuts it down or it would have already happened. Plus, it would be a Commobnwealth U. decision now.

Cheyney's enrollment dropped precipitously to the point where they were on the verge of closing, as I recall. I can't speak to Mansfield, but I'd suspect the falling enrollment there might have played a factor as well.

[cwfenn]

Seems like Kutztown is trying some innovative recruiting methods this year:

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/berks...8db1262cf.html

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The recruiting for the new guy at LH is not local, though. He's reaching far and wide.

Recruiting some solid freshmen has never been their issue. That's one of the positives of having to sign 35+ of them yearly.

Seeing their top players return the following season is the main problem.

Right now it's get in there, get some film ... and get the hell out of town.

It's a very difficult job -- on many levels.