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  • Originally posted by Boro33 View Post

    Huh?
    Don't worry about me. I'm still recovering from New Year's Eve.

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    • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

      We could probably discuss this ad nauseum. I personally see it as conforming to right wing thinking because it is based on individual rights over the "common good" and , while everybody believes in individual rights, it is a cornerstone, or maybe the cornerstone of right wing thinking. It places "me" over all other considerations. It is, at its core, Ayn Rand, Edmund Burke, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan. Just my opinion. Happy New Year.
      I'd say to just remember it's not always the 'player' choosing to enter the Portal. It gets perceived that way, but players end up in there for a wide variety of reasons.

      A lot of Portal entrants - in simplest terms - are free agents because they are currently homeless. They are no longer a fit and their current coach tells them they are no longer welcome. This happens all the time. It's a major reason why so many of these guys remain homeless.

      Coaches miss -- a lot -- in recruiting. Some of these kids turn out to be duds -- athletically and/or academically. Some are just terrible humans and locker room cancers.

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      • Originally posted by TheBigCat2192 View Post

        This is a rather funny interpretation given that the loudest public voices for athlete’s rights (the “individual rights” you mention) are broadly left-wing like labor activists and “Squad” members like Cory Booker. Meanwhile a fair amount of college sports admins and writers felt that a Trump administration and/or Republican Congress (like Cruz and Tuberville in the Senate) would be more favorable to the NCAA and its quest for an anti-trust exemption and legislation specifying that players are not to be defined as employees.

        Unfortunately, state houses don’t really give us a good idea of who might support what at the federal level because we’ve seen a fair amount of politicians across the board at state level support NIL and try to block the NCAA from enforcing its rules inside their borders.
        You make good points. I guess my perspective is more a broader, philosophical one than a political one. Plus, to your point, I have never bought into the players as employees part.

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        • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

          I'd say to just remember it's not always the 'player' choosing to enter the Portal. It gets perceived that way, but players end up in there for a wide variety of reasons.

          A lot of Portal entrants - in simplest terms - are free agents because they are currently homeless. They are no longer a fit and their current coach tells them they are no longer welcome. This happens all the time. It's a major reason why so many of these guys remain homeless.

          Coaches miss -- a lot -- in recruiting. Some of these kids turn out to be duds -- athletically and/or academically. Some are just terrible humans and locker room cancers.
          It turns out that judging guys against wildly variant HS competition is hard. And that doesn’t even get into the personality concerns.

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          • Originally posted by TheBigCat2192 View Post

            It turns out that judging guys against wildly variant HS competition is hard. And that doesn’t even get into the personality concerns.

            A huge percentage of 'recruiting' at this level is throwing darts at a board (blindfolded) - especially how some programs try and sign transfers.

            The budgets are tight. I get it. Bringing in kids -- sight unseen -- is just such a risk. There are programs in this region that sign portal players who don't even visit campus or meet a coach in person. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's a freaking disaster.

            Just about any fool can fake their way through a Zoom call/interview. It's more difficult in person.

            Regarding the 'small school' recruiting on the high school level ... it is tricky. Lots of diamonds out there ... lots of total duds, too.

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            • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


              A huge percentage of 'recruiting' at this level is throwing darts at a board (blindfolded) - especially how some programs try and sign transfers.

              The budgets are tight. I get it. Bringing in kids -- sight unseen -- is just such a risk. There are programs in this region that sign portal players who don't even visit campus or meet a coach in person. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's a freaking disaster.

              Just about any fool can fake their way through a Zoom call/interview. It's more difficult in person.

              Regarding the 'small school' recruiting on the high school level ... it is tricky. Lots of diamonds out there ... lots of total duds, too.
              College football recruiting and baseball scouting are still stuck in the world of the "eye test" and judging "upside".

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              • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                Don't worry about me. I'm still recovering from New Year's Eve.
                Must a been a wild one...

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                • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


                  A huge percentage of 'recruiting' at this level is throwing darts at a board (blindfolded) - especially how some programs try and sign transfers.

                  The budgets are tight. I get it. Bringing in kids -- sight unseen -- is just such a risk. There are programs in this region that sign portal players who don't even visit campus or meet a coach in person. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's a freaking disaster.

                  Just about any fool can fake their way through a Zoom call/interview. It's more difficult in person.

                  Regarding the 'small school' recruiting on the high school level ... it is tricky. Lots of diamonds out there ... lots of total duds, too.
                  Bringing in a portal player without meeting him in person is foolishness. Quality staffs do not go this route.

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                  • Wanted to know the thoughts of anyone on the board who has seen CB Rashan Murray from Cal (Pa) play of how good he is ...... what are his strengths and weakness, do you think he has the ability to play P4 football ...... interested because he is in the portal and apparently visiting Pitt this weekend ...... thanks in advance for any input !

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                    • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


                      A huge percentage of 'recruiting' at this level is throwing darts at a board (blindfolded) - especially how some programs try and sign transfers.

                      The budgets are tight. I get it. Bringing in kids -- sight unseen -- is just such a risk. There are programs in this region that sign portal players who don't even visit campus or meet a coach in person. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's a freaking disaster.

                      Just about any fool can fake their way through a Zoom call/interview. It's more difficult in person.

                      Regarding the 'small school' recruiting on the high school level ... it is tricky. Lots of diamonds out there ... lots of total duds, too.
                      To your point, one of the most dynamic high school players in the state, Jase Ferguson of Central Clarion, remains unsigned. He played at the AA level and is the PA Football Writers Association’s pick for All State QB and player of the year, but I’m guessing the quality of the competition he played against is why he’s still not signed. The thing is, he was dominant against the best teams too and anyone having seen him play can clearly see he’d be a top-tier D2 signee. He’s not a QB at those levels but he sure as heck could be a receiver or DB with his speed and athleticism. One thing he can’t help is only being 6’0”.

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                      • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


                        A huge percentage of 'recruiting' at this level is throwing darts at a board (blindfolded) - especially how some programs try and sign transfers.

                        The budgets are tight. I get it. Bringing in kids -- sight unseen -- is just such a risk. There are programs in this region that sign portal players who don't even visit campus or meet a coach in person. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's a freaking disaster.

                        Just about any fool can fake their way through a Zoom call/interview. It's more difficult in person.

                        Regarding the 'small school' recruiting on the high school level ... it is tricky. Lots of diamonds out there ... lots of total duds, too.
                        Just for fun I went and looked at BU’s 2020 & 2021 classes as those were some of Sheptock’s earliest and those guys should be at or near the end of their careers. There were a number of recruits that had been All-State at various classifications (mostly 2A and 3A but at least one 4A in there). Around half of them are no longer with the team and I’m not sure they’re still playing CFB at all. A few of the others are around but serve as either role players or non-impact starters. Even high-performing guys flop here. It’s a good reminder that for as poor as the promotion from our schools/conference/the NCAA is smaller school ball is not just “high school 2” the way some perceive it.

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                        • Originally posted by goalieman View Post
                          Wanted to know the thoughts of anyone on the board who has seen CB Rashan Murray from Cal (Pa) play of how good he is ...... what are his strengths and weakness, do you think he has the ability to play P4 football ...... interested because he is in the portal and apparently visiting Pitt this weekend ...... thanks in advance for any input !
                          Who the heck knows, honestly. The PSAC is full of guys with all the same measurables who probably could play FBS but didn't get the looks or parents didn't have the money to spend a summer sending him to all the biggest camps. But I also think the new portal rules are going to allow the P4, G5, and FCS schools to poach D2 and D3 stars as more impactful recruits vs high school kids.

                          Dude very quickly racked up 10-15 offers from FCS and G5 schools, some of them have really great names on the degree. If he were my kid, he'd take that Miami offer and go try to win the MAC but end up with a top 25 public degree.

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                          • Originally posted by Boro33 View Post

                            Bringing in a portal player without meeting him in person is foolishness. Quality staffs do not go this route.
                            You'd be shocked how often this happens. To your point, the 'good' programs don't operate in this manner.

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                            • Originally posted by TheBigCat2192 View Post

                              Just for fun I went and looked at BU’s 2020 & 2021 classes as those were some of Sheptock’s earliest and those guys should be at or near the end of their careers. There were a number of recruits that had been All-State at various classifications (mostly 2A and 3A but at least one 4A in there). Around half of them are no longer with the team and I’m not sure they’re still playing CFB at all. A few of the others are around but serve as either role players or non-impact starters. Even high-performing guys flop here. It’s a good reminder that for as poor as the promotion from our schools/conference/the NCAA is smaller school ball is not just “high school 2” the way some perceive it.

                              On high school Signing Day I don't even read the player bio. At this level they are all "All-this and All-that".

                              To your point every class is tremendous on Signing Day - stacked with can't miss steals, etc. Reality usually is the complete opposite. If you sign 30 freshmen in a class, you'll be lucky to have 6-7 of them walk on 'your' senior day.

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                              • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


                                On high school Signing Day I don't even read the player bio. At this level they are all "All-this and All-that".
                                I typically don’t pay attention to All-League or All-Division (or their respective equivalents in neighboring states) but I usually do have somewhat higher expectations for the ones that are All-State unless it’s an “honorable mention.” It’s a bigger pool of competition and standing out against all of them should mean more than just all-league. Of course you run into the problem of having too many selectors and that does water things down.

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