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  • #16
    Originally posted by IUP24 View Post

    Salary is an expense. Expenses are on a spreadsheet. People cut expenses from spreadsheets regularly. That's happened forever. It happens in the private sector every day.

    Every single one of us is a line item on a spreadsheet.
    I get that, but they're not using critical thinking. Sometimes you have to consider the results of cuts before you make the decision. Of the team I run at work, everything is already so thin staffed that we're down to several one person offices from what used to be multiple person teams. A similar cut would mean that the only person qualified and trained to do certain tasks could be gone without any input. There are career people who were in a probationary period because they were promoted to replace a retiree and now are gone meaning there are teams in federal departments suddenly without someone "in charge." Its increasingly becoming clear that somehow DOGE team misinterpreted the meaning of "probationary period" as some sort of discipline.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

      I get that, but they're not using critical thinking. Sometimes you have to consider the results of cuts before you make the decision. Of the team I run at work, everything is already so thin staffed that we're down to several one person offices from what used to be multiple person teams. A similar cut would mean that the only person qualified and trained to do certain tasks could be gone without any input. There are career people who were in a probationary period because they were promoted to replace a retiree and now are gone meaning there are teams in federal departments suddenly without someone "in charge." Its increasingly becoming clear that somehow DOGE team misinterpreted the meaning of "probationary period" as some sort of discipline.
      What could go wrong when you have 19-25 year olds firing people?

      This is all going to blow up spectacularly.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

        What could go wrong when you have 19-25 year olds firing people?

        This is all going to blow up spectacularly.
        Led by someone who I'm not entirely sure understands or appreciates the Constitution. He keeps saying things that really don't fall in line with how we've run this country the last 250 years.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

          Led by someone who I'm not entirely sure understands or appreciates the Constitution. He keeps saying things that really don't fall in line with how we've run this country the last 250 years.
          Then you have a Cult that has no desire to stop anything and you have Democrats who have no idea how to stop any of it.

          All because everyone is afraid of the Cults primary voters…a small amount of voters has taken this country hostage and put into office the absolute worst people.

          They want to break everything as fast as possible with no plan to make anything better.

          Higher education is just one thing of many getting clobbered.

          I paid almost 8 bucks for an 18 pack of eggs at Wegmans on Monday. They were half that in December.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

            I get that, but they're not using critical thinking. Sometimes you have to consider the results of cuts before you make the decision. Of the team I run at work, everything is already so thin staffed that we're down to several one person offices from what used to be multiple person teams. A similar cut would mean that the only person qualified and trained to do certain tasks could be gone without any input. There are career people who were in a probationary period because they were promoted to replace a retiree and now are gone meaning there are teams in federal departments suddenly without someone "in charge." Its increasingly becoming clear that somehow DOGE team misinterpreted the meaning of "probationary period" as some sort of discipline.
            I totally understand the critical thinking, role/person based, value to the job discussion regarding these decisions. But I think bean counters often look past that in any avenue of workforce reduction. Businesses in the private sector "reorganize" all the time because a bean counter says to do so. No emotion. No value conversations. Just line item eliminations. "We have too many of (insert this role title here) working at this location. We need to reduce that number by 15%."

            I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. Their plan was to reduce the number of federal workers. That's what they are doing. Mass layoffs happen in the private sector all the time. Sometimes good people are lost. Sometimes the result is a growing workload for others. People deal with that everyday not in public sector or government type jobs.

            To be clear, I'm not getting into any politics. Just the conversation of workforce reduction.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by IUP24 View Post

              I totally understand the critical thinking, role/person based, value to the job discussion regarding these decisions. But I think bean counters often look past that in any avenue of workforce reduction. Businesses in the private sector "reorganize" all the time because a bean counter says to do so. No emotion. No value conversations. Just line item eliminations. "We have too many of (insert this role title here) working at this location. We need to reduce that number by 15%."

              I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. Their plan was to reduce the number of federal workers. That's what they are doing. Mass layoffs happen in the private sector all the time. Sometimes good people are lost. Sometimes the result is a growing workload for others. People deal with that everyday not in public sector or government type jobs.

              To be clear, I'm not getting into any politics. Just the conversation of workforce reduction.
              Except in some sectors, they're firing virtually everyone, not just reducing by a certain percentage. Mass firings in the country's intelligence sector is a disaster waiting to happen. And you can't run the federal government like Meta. Worrying about weeding out all the trans military service members probably shouldn't be your highest priority when our naval ships are sailing short of crew and 40 percent of our submarines sit idle at any one time to due to delayed maintenance. Government often does the jobs the private sector doesn't want to do because they are essential jobs that don't produce profit bonanzas.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by IUP24 View Post

                I totally understand the critical thinking, role/person based, value to the job discussion regarding these decisions. But I think bean counters often look past that in any avenue of workforce reduction. Businesses in the private sector "reorganize" all the time because a bean counter says to do so. No emotion. No value conversations. Just line item eliminations. "We have too many of (insert this role title here) working at this location. We need to reduce that number by 15%."

                I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. Their plan was to reduce the number of federal workers. That's what they are doing. Mass layoffs happen in the private sector all the time. Sometimes good people are lost. Sometimes the result is a growing workload for others. People deal with that everyday not in public sector or government type jobs.

                To be clear, I'm not getting into any politics. Just the conversation of workforce reduction.
                I can’t wait for the complaining when people can’t get help they need from the gubmint for whatever reason.
                Last edited by IUPNation; 02-19-2025, 10:46 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by IUP24 View Post

                  I totally understand the critical thinking, role/person based, value to the job discussion regarding these decisions. But I think bean counters often look past that in any avenue of workforce reduction. Businesses in the private sector "reorganize" all the time because a bean counter says to do so. No emotion. No value conversations. Just line item eliminations. "We have too many of (insert this role title here) working at this location. We need to reduce that number by 15%."

                  I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. Their plan was to reduce the number of federal workers. That's what they are doing. Mass layoffs happen in the private sector all the time. Sometimes good people are lost. Sometimes the result is a growing workload for others. People deal with that everyday not in public sector or government type jobs.

                  To be clear, I'm not getting into any politics. Just the conversation of workforce reduction.
                  Here is what I think is lost in the whole 'conversation'. The role of government is to create and enforce laws, provide public services, and ensure the welfare and security of its citizens. It balances individual freedoms with the need for order and public good, often through various branches and levels of governance.

                  The government is not a for-profit institution. Now we've got people who voted in a "successful businessman" who has filed no less than 6 times for bankruptcy protection. What is so concerning is these also include casinos (which is just printing money for yourself) and real estate (again, printing money), The major reasons for his fililng for bankruptcy protection is to 'protect his assets' so he didnt lose money, but F everyone else. In addition, he has a laundry list of stiffing hard working people who did work for him. And yet, he's lauded as a shrewd businessman. Let's not even go there with his creepy sex alligations, which combined with the bankruptcy, would put your average American on the "do no hire" list. I doubt he could even get a cashier job at Sheetz or WaWa.

                  When you start treating the US Government like a business, it's going to go horribly wrong....just wait.

                  So here we are, with this guy and his P2025 authors brainwashing the MAGA's that they are "sticking it to the 'Deep Statee'" when in reality, that is exactly what they are. They drained the swamp alright, and replaced it right in the heart of our Government.

                  We are currently at the Find Out portion of the F.A.F.O. My dip**** brother and his wife (who I really like, but came to the States on a foreign educational visa) are die-hard MAGAs and honestly believe that "Elon" is the smartest human on earth that is going to "Fix Everything". that was until my nephew's wife (their son) got a letter that she was no longer going to be employed by the USDA because of EO cuts, and is being forced to resign. Good for her, she refused and said they can fire her.... they're still doing the mental gymnastics to figure out how its's "fixing everything" when it hits that close to home.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RockPride View Post

                    Here is what I think is lost in the whole 'conversation'. The role of government is to create and enforce laws, provide public services, and ensure the welfare and security of its citizens. It balances individual freedoms with the need for order and public good, often through various branches and levels of governance.

                    The government is not a for-profit institution. Now we've got people who voted in a "successful businessman" who has filed no less than 6 times for bankruptcy protection. What is so concerning is these also include casinos (which is just printing money for yourself) and real estate (again, printing money), The major reasons for his fililng for bankruptcy protection is to 'protect his assets' so he didnt lose money, but F everyone else. In addition, he has a laundry list of stiffing hard working people who did work for him. And yet, he's lauded as a shrewd businessman. Let's not even go there with his creepy sex alligations, which combined with the bankruptcy, would put your average American on the "do no hire" list. I doubt he could even get a cashier job at Sheetz or WaWa.

                    When you start treating the US Government like a business, it's going to go horribly wrong....just wait.

                    So here we are, with this guy and his P2025 authors brainwashing the MAGA's that they are "sticking it to the 'Deep Statee'" when in reality, that is exactly what they are. They drained the swamp alright, and replaced it right in the heart of our Government.

                    We are currently at the Find Out portion of the F.A.F.O. My dip**** brother and his wife (who I really like, but came to the States on a foreign educational visa) are die-hard MAGAs and honestly believe that "Elon" is the smartest human on earth that is going to "Fix Everything". that was until my nephew's wife (their son) got a letter that she was no longer going to be employed by the USDA because of EO cuts, and is being forced to resign. Good for her, she refused and said they can fire her.... they're still doing the mental gymnastics to figure out how its's "fixing everything" when it hits that close to home.
                    And that's the crux of everything. We're so free in this country that we can live our little lives without paying much attention to those around us. Then suddenly the things we hear and read about that we are skeptical of smack us in our own faces and we FINALLY realize its a problem. Most of the time. There's a famous speech somewhere out there that talked about how the civil rights movement didn't gain traction in the 50s and 60s until the brutality and dehumanization in the south was in everyone's living room on the news. You suddenly realize a group is real people when you watch a fire hose be turned on them. I can't remember which user is on here living in El Paso, but most border towns like El Paso have a much more nuanced opinion on the border than Bob and Barb in Katy.

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                    • #25
                      Hey, at least we don't have to put up with a cackling laugh for four years

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RocknTheSnackBar View Post
                        Hey, at least we don't have to put up with a cackling laugh for four years
                        No...just the destruction of the United States as we knew it.

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                        • #27
                          Does anybody believe that there is waste, fraud and mismanagement of funds in our government? I read through these posts and can’t believe there isn’t one that says what we are seeing is a good first step to see if we can get our bloated government back in line.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Huskie14 View Post
                            Does anybody believe that there is waste, fraud and mismanagement of funds in our government? I read through these posts and can’t believe there isn’t one that says what we are seeing is a good first step to see if we can get our bloated government back in line.
                            Do you think the 50 billion dollars cut to the military is a good first step?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bart View Post

                              Do you think the 50 billion dollars cut to the military is a good first step?

                              Bart. You didn’t answer the question but I will answer yours.

                              Yes I’m ok w it’ll.

                              Are you ok w the previous status quo of how tax dollars are being appropriated?


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Huskie14 View Post
                                Does anybody believe that there is waste, fraud and mismanagement of funds in our government? I read through these posts and can’t believe there isn’t one that says what we are seeing is a good first step to see if we can get our bloated government back in line.
                                Of course there is waste iin the government (just as there is in any large private corporation, by the way, as anyone who has worked for one can tell you). But the way you resolve it is not by setting up a president who rules by fiat and issues a flurry of unconstitutional and illegal orders from D.C., and freezes spending authorized by the legislative branch. Apparently the legislative branch has no function now except to meekly approve whatever incompetent Trump nominates for a cabinet position. Oh, and they still will wrangle over the budget and put us on the brink of a government shutdown every few months. With the scale of dismissals they're doing, they are undoubtedly throwing out a lot of incompetent employees. As for the military, if they really think the Pacific is now the main theater, which is what the Trumpsters are saying, they are in no way equipped to face off with China, and I doubt a 40 percent cut will help. I have a grandson posted in the Navy in that area so I pay a bit of attention. After viewing what's going on with Ukraine, countries such as the Philippines and Japan are probably thinking twice about the value of American security guarantees. I'm sure Australia and New Zealand aren't thrilled, either.

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