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  • #31
    Originally posted by Brandon View Post

    (3) Well aren't we talking about the playoffs as a whole, not just opening round games?
    I think he was just pointing out that when Harding has made the runs it's not been when they have played elite competition in the first or even second rounds. Walnut will have to weigh in to be for sure, but that's what I took it as.

    Hard to come on here and them completely knock Ouachita for losing to NW Mo when they haven't ever won that game either. Back to my point long ago...easy to make potshots when sitting at home.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by OBUGrad View Post

      Hard to come on here and them completely knock Ouachita for losing to NW Mo
      Might be interesting to look at the results minus games against NW.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by OBUGrad View Post

        I think he was just pointing out that when Harding has made the runs it's not been when they have played elite competition in the first or even second rounds. Walnut will have to weigh in to be for sure, but that's what I took it as.

        Hard to come on here and them completely knock Ouachita for losing to NW Mo when they haven't ever won that game either. Back to my point long ago...easy to make potshots when sitting at home.
        That’s exactly what I meant. Harding faced some stiff competition as they went deeper into their runs, but the years they had their deepest runs, but they have had (in my opinion) some fortuitous draws for their opening round competition.

        I could just be underestimating some of the field here too, I’m happy to admit if I’m wrong.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by OBUGrad View Post
          Bottom line is it’s easy to take potshots when your team is sitting at home.

          I’ll sit up and notice when Harding beats NW Mo.
          OBU is sitting at home…

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Brandon View Post
            GAC Playoff Results
            SPACER
            Harding
            2021 Washburn W 30-14
            Northwest Missouri L 28-9
            2019 @ Northwest L 7-6
            2018 @ Ferris State L 21-18
            2017 @ Indianapolis W 27-24
            @ Ashland W 34-24
            @ Ferris State W 16-14
            @ A&M-Commerce L 31-17
            2016 Central Missouri W 48-31
            @ Sioux Falls W 27-24
            @ Northwest Missouri L 35-0
            2014 @ Pittsburg State L 59-42
            2013 @ Northwest Missouri L 35-0
            SPACER
            Ouachita
            2022 Northwest Missouri L 47-17
            2019 Lindenwood L 41-38
            2018 Indianapolis W 35-7
            Ferris State L 37-14
            2017 @ Ferris State L 24-19
            2014 Minnesota Duluth L 48-45
            SPACER
            Henderson
            2015 Sioux Falls W 23-16
            Emporia State L 29-3
            2013 St Cloud L 40-35
            2012 Missouri Western L 45-21
            Thanks Brandon. I didn't realize Harding had made a couple deep runs.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by grlafxr View Post

              Thanks Brandon. I didn't realize Harding had made a couple deep runs.
              I think they win the whole thing in 17 if QB doesn’t get suspended week before commerce game.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Divisiontwo View Post

                I think they win the whole thing in 17 if QB doesn’t get suspended week before commerce game.
                Pretty much every playoff game Harding lost had a huge injury or multiple of them. It’s hard to win a game if your QB or #1 slot is sitting on the bench holding their knee. Not an excuse or saying we would have won- just an observation.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Brandon View Post
                  GAC Playoff Results
                  SPACER
                  Harding
                  2021 Washburn W 30-14
                  Northwest Missouri L 28-9
                  2019 @ Northwest L 7-6
                  2018 @ Ferris State L 21-18
                  2017 @ Indianapolis W 27-24
                  @ Ashland W 34-24
                  @ Ferris State W 16-14
                  @ A&M-Commerce L 31-17
                  2016 Central Missouri W 48-31
                  @ Sioux Falls W 27-24
                  @ Northwest Missouri L 35-0
                  2014 @ Pittsburg State L 59-42
                  2013 @ Northwest Missouri L 35-0
                  SPACER
                  Ouachita
                  2022 Northwest Missouri L 47-17
                  2019 Lindenwood L 41-38
                  2018 Indianapolis W 35-7
                  Ferris State L 37-14
                  2017 @ Ferris State L 24-19
                  2014 Minnesota Duluth L 48-45
                  SPACER
                  Henderson
                  2015 Sioux Falls W 23-16
                  Emporia State L 29-3
                  2013 St Cloud L 40-35
                  2012 Missouri Western
                  With only one team from GAC making a deep run in the playoffs this makes the case for abandoning the silo schedule and taking on OOC teams as much as possible to prepare for postseason. As I suggested in another thread, take one conference champion (flip a coin or draw straws if there's a tie) and fill rest of 32 PO spots using strength of schedule and playoff eligibility requirement of 1-3 OOC games. You can start at one OOC game to get the silos attention and it would only take one year of 10-1 second place silo teams being left out for a 3 loss non-silo team to open up scheduling for benefit of all teams.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by grlafxr View Post

                    Thanks Brandon. I didn't realize Harding had made a couple deep runs.
                    Their D was legit in 2017.

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                    • #40
                      Part of it is the offensive scheme. If you can't throw, and keep a D off balance, you better have, either the best OL in D2, and a superstar type ball carrier and/or a world class Defense or you are dead in the playoffs.

                      That brings it back to recruiting. Winning OOC games helps with that, but if you can't recruit Nationally, use the portal to fill holes, and get good local/regional talent, the playoffs will show you a talent gap. The days of recruiting half of the state all star team and riding that to the NC are over.

                      Pitt is where the GAC schools are at. Still trying to figure out how to get back there. I think they're on their way, but honestly don't know if they are there yet.

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                      • #41
                        The reality is that the GAC as a whole is just a weak conference

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Armo Wood View Post
                          NattyStateFan to attempt to answer a couple of your questions.

                          1) Why does HU have their worst game against NW everytime? Simply put, NW is very good at defending what HU does offensively. I think HU needs to develop a supplemental pass game to go along with that rushing attack of theirs, if they are ever going to get past NW. In fairness to the Bisons, their Ds have been PO-caliber, they have outplayed FSU both times they played (though the series stands at 1-1) and in recent times have beat just about anybody they play not named NW--and even then, the last two games were no picnic for the Bearcats.
                          to be fair, UNK runs a VERY similar offense. it's not like NW has never had to play a team like Harding. anyone who has coached any amount of time will know how to beat a Harding team. it's just the execution. load the box (because it a very compressed formation) overpower them at the line and stay disciplined on the outside and You'll do well enough to keep them down on offense. once that happens, you just have to score at that point.
                          i know, easier said than done but the offense has hardly changed in 80 or so years and the way to stop it hasn't either. just execution.

                          it doesn't happen very often but, when a team manages to neutralize that offense, it's basically a war of attrition. which battering ram will give up first.

                          also of note...pulling lineman will surely take you to the ball. all about playing disciplined defense.
                          Last edited by jimbo slice; 11-28-2022, 03:06 PM.

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