Ferris May Have to Forfeit Four

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Uh oh. https://www.woodtv.com/sports/ncaa/n...mes/1532074290

[Irishlaker]

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I will believe it when I see it. Like Kle says in the other thread, it'll be a big surprise if this actually turns into some sort of legit penalty or sanction.

That said, I have stated on these boards since he was hired that at some point Ferris would have to pay a "TA Tax". If you think this is isolated or it's the only/last time something like this will come up, you're kidding yourself.

[BeachinLaker]

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I will believe it when I see it. Like Kle says in the other thread, it'll be a big surprise if this actually turns into some sort of legit penalty or sanction.

That said, I have stated on these boards since he was hired that at some point Ferris would have to pay a "TA Tax". If you think this is isolated or it's the only/last time something like this will come up, you're kidding yourself.

Based on a random perusing of their roster, this isn't the only kid that has transferred between three four year institutions. As long as I have followed TA, he has proven himself unable to develop his own talent - even in high school. He has always heavily utilized transfers.

[Predatory Primates]

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This doesn't look like some accident that slipped past. It looks like they willfully and openly broke the rules here.

[BeachinLaker]

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This doesn't look like some accident that slipped past. It looks like they willfully and openly broke the rules here.

If it's true that other schools told him he would have to sit for 2018 and it took them calling out Ferris when they noticed him playing the first four weeks for them, they absolutely did.

[MDRussell]

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There just seems to be so much more transferring of student/athletes now-days that a more stringent review process should be in place. I don't have statistics, but it seemed back in the 70's you had a few D1 kids transfer to D2 schools; now it seems like there are so many transfers at every level and in every sport.

[champgymusa]

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There just seems to be so much more transferring of student/athletes now-days that a more stringent review process should be in place. I don't have statistics, but it seemed back in the 70's you had a few D1 kids transfer to D2 schools; now it seems like there are so many transfers at every level and in every sport.

This is NOT rocket science...your school needs to have a compliance officer that can read the rules and then have a staff that will enforce them. The 4 4 4 rule is about as clear as it can be...if you want to take a chance on not getting caught thats up to the school and the player..The rules are not that hard..

[dvaara]

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There just seems to be so much more transferring of student/athletes now-days that a more stringent review process should be in place. I don't have statistics, but it seemed back in the 70's you had a few D1 kids transfer to D2 schools; now it seems like there are so many transfers at every level and in every sport.

its easier to leave than it is to buckle down and work harder in order to see the field

[IH8SVSU]

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Not surprised. I'm sure the NCAA, just like GLIAC game officials, will get this right.

[DawgUp]

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Not surprised. I'm sure the NCAA, just like GLIAC game officials, will get this right.

If that's the case, playoffs here we come!

[unc4life]

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This is NOT rocket science...your school needs to have a compliance officer that can read the rules and then have a staff that will enforce them. The 4 4 4 rule is about as clear as it can be...if you want to take a chance on not getting caught thats up to the school and the player..The rules are not that hard..

You would think with all the athletes they pull from jail they would have a better compliance team! (Joking....kinda)

[GLIACWatcher]

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Based on a random perusing of their roster, this isn't the only kid that has transferred between three four year institutions. As long as I have followed TA, he has proven himself unable to develop his own talent - even in high school. He has always heavily utilized transfers.

Come on man. Look I lost to him too when I was playing and coaching, but that just isn't true. I get it that Zimmer, Lampman, Sheldon, VanderLaan where all there when he got there, but they were all young and if coming out of high school they were anything like they were at the end of their Ferris careers then they would have had GV offers, but fine, don't give him credit for them. Just hitting on his Ferris State players that have turned out to be pretty good:

Tavierre Thomas
Zach Sieler
Anthony Darkangelo
Jevonte Alexander
Jahaan Brown
Malik Taylor
Devon Johnson
Chris Okoye
Jake Daugherty
Marquis Dawsey
Wyatt Ford
Nick Huckabay
KC Zenner
The following played well this past Saturday:
Jevon Shaw (The one who threw the trick play pass)
John Higgins (Picked off the first Pass)
Austin Edwards
Sam Heyboer
Austin Simpson
Trevor Tank
Adrian Green
Avonte Bell
Cyntell Williams
Jovan Bayless
Any kid that has ever played slot at Ferris, undersized yes, good, also yes.
Sy Barnett isn't a transfer and he just did pretty well as a RS Frosh against the mighty Lakers.

I could keep going, and yes, he does take transfers, name a D2 in the top 25 who doesn't, but also name a national championship that GVSU won without more than a handful of transfers. You can rip on the dude however you want, and feel however you want, but every D2 coach is trying to snag these type dudes and that is fact.

[KleShreen]

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Come on man. Look I lost to him too when I was playing and coaching, but that just isn't true. I get it that Zimmer, Lampman, Sheldon, VanderLaan where all there when he got there, but they were all young and if coming out of high school they were anything like they were at the end of their Ferris careers then they would have had GV offers, but fine, don't give him credit for them. Just hitting on his Ferris State players that have turned out to be pretty good:

Tavierre Thomas
Zach Sieler
Anthony Darkangelo
Jevonte Alexander
Jahaan Brown
Malik Taylor
Devon Johnson
Chris Okoye
Jake Daugherty
Marquis Dawsey
Wyatt Ford
Nick Huckabay
KC Zenner
The following played well this past Saturday:
Jevon Shaw (The one who threw the trick play pass)
John Higgins (Picked off the first Pass)
Austin Edwards
Sam Heyboer
Austin Simpson
Trevor Tank
Adrian Green
Avonte Bell
Cyntell Williams
Jovan Bayless
Any kid that has ever played slot at Ferris, undersized yes, good, also yes.
Sy Barnett isn't a transfer and he just did pretty well as a RS Frosh against the mighty Lakers.

I could keep going, and yes, he does take transfers, name a D2 in the top 25 who doesn't, but also name a national championship that GVSU won without more than a handful of transfers. You can rip on the dude however you want, and feel however you want, but every D2 coach is trying to snag these type dudes and that is fact.

GV only very recently has begun using transfers more liberally. In 2001-2007ish, when GV was winning titles, transfers were pretty rare. Maybe one or two seeing any significant playing time. I mean I guess you can count Cullen Finnerty as a transfer technically, since he came from Toledo, but he never played there. Anyway, just responding to your asking about GV's team make-up during national championships. I'm not as familiar with the 2002 and 2003 teams since I wasn't there, but at least in 2005 and 2006, you had Cullen (technically), and then I guess Derrick Jones was a JuCo transfer, and Aston Martin. So I mean there were 1 or 2, but I don't think there was ever a "handful" of transfers being utilized by GV. This year's team may be the most transfer-heavy team GV has ever used.

[BeachinLaker]

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Come on man. Look I lost to him too when I was playing and coaching, but that just isn't true. I get it that Zimmer, Lampman, Sheldon, VanderLaan where all there when he got there, but they were all young and if coming out of high school they were anything like they were at the end of their Ferris careers then they would have had GV offers, but fine, don't give him credit for them. Just hitting on his Ferris State players that have turned out to be pretty good:

Tavierre Thomas
Zach Sieler
Anthony Darkangelo
Jevonte Alexander
Jahaan Brown
Malik Taylor
Devon Johnson
Chris Okoye
Jake Daugherty
Marquis Dawsey
Wyatt Ford
Nick Huckabay
KC Zenner
The following played well this past Saturday:
Jevon Shaw (The one who threw the trick play pass)
John Higgins (Picked off the first Pass)
Austin Edwards
Sam Heyboer
Austin Simpson
Trevor Tank
Adrian Green
Avonte Bell
Cyntell Williams
Jovan Bayless
Any kid that has ever played slot at Ferris, undersized yes, good, also yes.
Sy Barnett isn't a transfer and he just did pretty well as a RS Frosh against the mighty Lakers.

I could keep going, and yes, he does take transfers, name a D2 in the top 25 who doesn't, but also name a national championship that GVSU won without more than a handful of transfers. You can rip on the dude however you want, and feel however you want, but every D2 coach is trying to snag these type dudes and that is fact.

TA took advantage of athletically gifted school of choice kids throughout his high school coaching career. Kids that would go to a perfectly fine high school academically that happened to have a lesser football program and then they would randomly show up at Jenison or Muskegon. He went to GRCC and took a transfer at QB that happened to be convicted of aiding in the killing of a man. He went to Ferris and inherited VanderLaan. After VanderLaan, he accepted the transfer of Reggie Bell from EMU and started him. After Bell, he accepted the transfer of another formerly jailed QB from a community college and started him. All of his QBs account for the vast majority of the rushing yards and obviously all of the passing yards. I don't know why any high school QB would choose to play for TA when his track record indicates he is very likely to keep them on the bench in favor of a transfer that shows up in the offseason after the last QB has graduated.

[chapmaja]

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TA took advantage of athletically gifted school of choice kids throughout his high school coaching career. Kids that would go to a perfectly fine high school academically that happened to have a lesser football program and then they would randomly show up at Jenison or Muskegon. He went to GRCC and took a transfer at QB that happened to be convicted of aiding in the killing of a man. He went to Ferris and inherited VanderLaan. After VanderLaan, he accepted the transfer of Reggie Bell from EMU and started him. After Bell, he accepted the transfer of another formerly jailed QB from a community college and started him. All of his QBs account for the vast majority of the rushing yards and obviously all of the passing yards. I don't know why any high school QB would choose to play for TA when his track record indicates he is very likely to keep them on the bench in favor of a transfer that shows up in the offseason after the last QB has graduated.

As much as I don't like T.A. for many different reasons (I did my student teaching under him), I don't think it's fair to say he can't develop talent. Does he use talent that started out elsewhere? Absolutely, however to think this is the only place that is happening is ridiculous. Even GVSU did have plenty of guys who started elsewhere and transferred to GVSU. Among the ones I recall were Finnerty, Curt Anes' bother who was a full back at Michigan who later left school and finally joined his brother at GVSU. Prior to the national title years we had a QB from EMU who went on to play in the CFL if I recall.

D2 is where the guys who are getting PT at D1 schools often drop to get PT. I find no fault in any coach at the FCS or DII level who uses transfers in his starting lineup. Your job as coach is to get the best available talent on the field.

No if we want to talk about T.A.'s liberal use of the transfer rules at the H.S. level. We may have a different discussion, but that's for another time and place.

Also, in my opinion, T.A. was the reason Ferris won that game, not the players on the field. T.A. flat out outcoached Mitchell in that game.