Regional Rankings

[NWFanatic]

IF NW sneaks in at 7 I’m fine with getting shipped to another Region. There are plenty of teams I’d rather play than PSU/GVSU/FSU.
I think an SR3 team wins the Natty again

[PSR]

I think history shows MIAA gets two teams in. Loser of TSU and Indy is out. Davenport will be out out too, I think after this week.

Means a good opportunity for second gac and miaa team get in.

There is precedence.

There is but it is with a MIAA team sitting in the 8 hole. There has been a few times over the last few years Pitt was sitting at 9 and won but was left out even though a team in front of them lost.

Makes no difference to me. If a second MIAA team gets in they will be shipped to another region anyway. Plus we beat either of those two if we play again anyhow.

[Redwing]

Was the GMAC formed to get away from playing the Michigan schools?

It's never been explained, but for the most part the schools' party line said they wanted to compete against similar schools. Travel and easier competition were rumored to be part of the equation, but rarely, if ever acknowledged. Northwood and Hillsdale are MI schools.

[Predatory Primates]

I'm so giddy that Pitt is in for the first time in forever. All the rest has just become noise at this point.

I'm fine if Pitt ends up being the only MIAA in. I want to see them play someone they haven't for a while, and would rather see all new teams than a rematch.

It also has the potential benefit of convincing the one more administrator needed to end the silo garbage.

That said, I think GT is right and history tells us that the MIAA will get 2 teams in, especially if Nw wins

[GorillaTeacher]

I think history shows MIAA gets two teams in. Loser of TSU and Indy is out. Davenport will be out out too, I think after this week.

Means a good opportunity for second gac and miaa team get in.

There is precedence.

[Predatory Primates]

DU played Truman, Northwood (Just left GLIAC) and Lincoln(CA.) Most of the GLIAC played one other GLIAC team twice. I suspect DU didn't have much better luck than GV or other GLIAC teams with finding games. No way would they bring in Lincoln if something was out there. Some of the GMAC and GLVC teams are playing the GLIAC schools so there's a bit help there. After that it's fly time. I don't know the rest of the conf, but GV flew to 2 games this season and I'm pretty sure 2 teams flew to GV. So 4 games involved flying.

And FWIW, those that left the GLIAC mostly moved to the GMAC...All but KentuckyW GMAC teams were in the GLIAC.. ALL of 8 of 9 of em.

Was the GMAC formed to get away from playing the Michigan schools?

[PSR]

1 Grand Valley 9-0
2 Ferris State 7-1
3 Pittsburg State 10-0
4 Ouachita Baptist 10-0
5 Davenport 7-1
6 Truman State 8-1
7 Indianapolis 7-1
8 Harding 8-2
9 Emporia State 8-2
10 Northwest Missouri 8-2


First 4 are in.
Winner of TSU/Indy is in.
6 and 7 spots will be between Davenport, loser of TSU/Indy and Harding which will win Saturday.

DU, HU, TSU, Indy will all have the same record as ESU/NW winner but a better of same SOS.

From past experiences ESU/NW has a slim to none chance.

[Redwing]

Your conference was the one who did it right in my scenario. I want silos to be outlawed. Heck, even one noncon a year would be better than nothing.

As for the GLIAC, I feel bad for them. Not sure where all the teams went, but they seem like a dying conference. Trying to schedule 4 ooc games a year has to be tough, and they don't have enough teams to silo up, or any conferences close by to do a scheduling alliance.

I can see both sides with DU, though. I don't think they would win 9 in the MIAA, but their only losses being to 2 of the top teams in all of D2 should carry some weight, and their numbers seem good as long as they don't get dinged for having so few games that count.

I hate the silo stuff, and it shouldn't be rewarded, but I don't want to see a team rewarded for taking money games and/or playing down more than once a year. (I don't know if DU did that or not. I am just throwing it out there as a point, not an accusation )

DU played Truman, Northwood (Just left GLIAC) and Lincoln(CA.) Most of the GLIAC played one other GLIAC team twice. I suspect DU didn't have much better luck than GV or other GLIAC teams with finding games. No way would they bring in Lincoln if something was out there. Some of the GMAC and GLVC teams are playing the GLIAC schools so there's a bit help there. After that it's fly time. I don't know the rest of the conf, but GV flew to 2 games this season and I'm pretty sure 2 teams flew to GV. So 4 games involved flying.

And FWIW, those that left the GLIAC mostly moved to the GMAC...All but KentuckyW GMAC teams were in the GLIAC.. ALL of 8 of 9 of em.

[PSR]

Harding has Ark Tech, I think. OBU has Henderson. Didn’t Washburn jump up last year, as the 7 seed after beating us?

I thought they were 1 seed in front of us. We were either 9 or 8????

[Predatory Primates]

UH, when conferences have silos, it doesn't help getting an OOC game. All of the GLIAC travels. But not having 11 games isn't because the GLIAC isn't trying to schedule OOC games. You really think GV wanted to play Lincoln (CA)? And AI was a really great match up too. I'm not saying silo is the only reason that scheduling is tough, but it doesn't help things a bit.

Your conference was the one who did it right in my scenario. I want silos to be outlawed. Heck, even one noncon a year would be better than nothing.

As for the GLIAC, I feel bad for them. Not sure where all the teams went, but they seem like a dying conference. Trying to schedule 4 ooc games a year has to be tough, and they don't have enough teams to silo up, or any conferences close by to do a scheduling alliance.

I can see both sides with DU, though. I don't think they would win 9 in the MIAA, but their only losses being to 2 of the top teams in all of D2 should carry some weight, and their numbers seem good as long as they don't get dinged for having so few games that count.

I hate the silo stuff, and it shouldn't be rewarded, but I don't want to see a team rewarded for taking money games and/or playing down more than once a year. (I don't know if DU did that or not. I am just throwing it out there as a point, not an accusation )

[GoCatsGo5]

DU only plays 8 D2 teams(played NMU twice) and they’ll likely end the season on a 2 game losing streak while only beating 6 different D2 teams. Yet they’ll likely make the playoffs ahead of some 9-2 teams.

No matter who wins the ESU/NW, if the committee lets a 3rd place Davenport in over a second place 9-2 MIAA, GAC or GLVC team then why even have a committee…just let a computer pick who gets in.

But either way, the silo thing needs to go. ESU/NW winner in, loser plays Davenport in the Toilet Bowl somewhere would be my vote.

[Redwing]

I think the issue is that the criteria are known. One team looked at them and said "If we Winn most of them, we can still get in with 7 games."

The other team (whole conference actually) looked at the criteria and said, "Dude scheduling is hard. We'll just roll the dice and blame the system that we refused to follow." In a whiny voice.

UH, when conferences have silos, it doesn't help getting an OOC game. All of the GLIAC travels. But not having 11 games isn't because the GLIAC isn't trying to schedule OOC games. You really think GV wanted to play Lincoln (CA)? And AI was a really great match up too. I'm not saying silo is the only reason that scheduling is tough, but it doesn't help things a bit.

[Predatory Primates]

If silo scheduling hurts MIAA teams why isn’t only playing 8 different D2 teams hurting DU. If scheduling OOC is so easy why could they only come up with 8 D2 teams to play?

I think the issue is that the criteria are known. One team looked at them and said "If we Winn most of them, we can still get in with 7 games."

The other team (whole conference actually) looked at the criteria and said, "Dude scheduling is hard. We'll just roll the dice and blame the system that we refused to follow." In a whiny voice.

[Predatory Primates]

Several Gliac teams play each other twice. I didn't realize that until a couple of weeks ago.

I'm really glad the MIAA doesn't have the "too few teams " problem. I mean,, I love a Pitt, NW game, but neither team would want to have to beat the other twice just to get in the playoffs.

[NWFanatic]

If silo scheduling hurts MIAA teams why isn’t only playing 8 different D2 teams hurting DU. If scheduling OOC is so easy why could they only come up with 8 D2 teams to play?