WT Football

[AmaKnight]

The Grand Valley contract was in 2022 when the WT ship was starting to sink and then hit the iceberg in Canada.

WT was never in any post season consideration in 2019 because they were in a fourth place tie that they lost to ASU in head to head tiebreaker.

Usually 3 losses is a death sentence when you have 4 conferences in a region.

Pitt State could get away with it this year but they played the top 2 of the GLIAC and finished 1-1.

I get the challenge but there is a thing such as overkill.

2026 schedule first 3 games are Western Colorado at home, Grand Valley on the road, then Angelo State on the road.

That is a gauntlet for most teams but less a WT team that is trying to find traction to have a winning season.

MIAA is only getting 2 teams in this year.

You’re right—the schedule is definitely overkill. But Hunter always thought he could be the Nick Saban of Division II, and he never really gave the LSC much credit. So, scheduling the top opponents in the region was kind of his thing.

The Grand Valley contract came out in 2022, but those discussions and agreements actually happened before that. Hunter had even mentioned it the season before he lost his job.

Three losses might still land you in the top 10 regional rankings—LOL. Do they hand out participation ribbons for that now?

[WT_TKW]

I am jealous! Are you enjoying being a retired bean-counter?

That is on our bucket list. We haven't done Spain nor Portugal. Last year we went to Italy, Sicily, Greece, and Turkey on Princess.

On 11-17-25, wife and I leave Houston for 28 days and will have a Holland America cruise to New Zealand & Australia, with some days before & after the cruise to visit both places. This is the longest vacation that we have ever taken.

I never counted beans, but manipulated bits.

I like Australia but love New Zealand. I’ve done cruises around each but last year did a road trip of 8 days in New Zealand. Queenstown was exceptional.

I also prefer HAL to Princess.

[Turbonium]

Yes. I’m currently in Malaga after starting in Barcelona. Tomorrow is Gibraltar followed by Cadiz and the Canary Islands.

The ship is the Sun Princess.

All beautiful places, enjoy!

[HOGSVRR]

Yes. I’m currently in Malaga after starting in Barcelona. Tomorrow is Gibraltar followed by Cadiz and the Canary Islands.

The ship is the Sun Princess.

I am jealous! Are you enjoying being a retired bean-counter?

That is on our bucket list. We haven't done Spain nor Portugal. Last year we went to Italy, Sicily, Greece, and Turkey on Princess.

On 11-17-25, wife and I leave Houston for 28 days and will have a Holland America cruise to New Zealand & Australia, with some days before & after the cruise to visit both places. This is the longest vacation that we have ever taken.

[WT_TKW]

Spain? Vacation?

Yes. I’m currently in Malaga after starting in Barcelona. Tomorrow is Gibraltar followed by Cadiz and the Canary Islands.

The ship is the Sun Princess.

[Turbonium]

I didn’t watch the game as I’m time zone challenged in Spain. However the Peccaries gave their usual gifts. The fumble return for a TD for 25 yards was appreciated, as was the one last year in their end zone.

Martinez threw for 400 yards and we had a 29 yard field goal! I guess Lynn will excuse the kicking team from practice until 2026 based on that amazing kick. The “much improved” defense isn’t.

That sounded like a fun game to watch, but WT is still a lousy team. :(. Odds are MSU will lose next but Angelo will likely score at will. Then mercifully, the season ends for WT and we can watch good teams through the playoffs. CWU looks ready for some post season wins.

Spain? Vacation?

[WT_TKW]

I didn’t watch the game as I’m time zone challenged in Spain. However the Peccaries gave their usual gifts. The fumble return for a TD for 25 yards was appreciated, as was the one last year in their end zone.

Martinez threw for 400 yards and we had a 29 yard field goal! I guess Lynn will excuse the kicking team from practice until 2026 based on that amazing kick. The “much improved” defense isn’t.

That sounded like a fun game to watch, but WT is still a lousy team. :(. Odds are MSU will lose next but Angelo will likely score at will. Then mercifully, the season ends for WT and we can watch good teams through the playoffs. CWU looks ready for some post season wins.

[Turbonium]

I think the typical D2 attendee is pretty well educated on the quality of the opponents, and if it isn't a quality opponent, they won't show up at all. So it's a fine line.

I think the typical D2 attendee has a direct connection to a player or coach and likely knows little beyond supporting those connections. Hell, I've sat with plenty of Pueblo player parents that knew absolutely nothing about the team they traveled to watch Pueblo play against.

[Turbonium]

I have seen both work, although the thread on the main forum makes a pretty good statistical case for not making your schedule too brutal. Then again, there are teams who will finish with a good record, but just aren't very good.

Other times, ADs may be looking at butts in seats. Like UCO keeping NSU on their schedule regardless of how they thought their record would be.

I personally like the balance of a really good test with maybe a lesser test. I never like to see good teams schedule the dregs like OPSU or the fake Lincoln who isn't even a sanctioned school. Let those teams play one another. Pitt did this a lot under old management. It hurts playoff chances, doesn't give you a real learning opportunity, and drives fans away.

Way too many outliers on the main forum thread for it to be taken seriously. Sure, if you're in a tough conference that will challenge you then you can schedule rather OOC opponents, but if you're in the LSC, RMAC, or many other top heavy conferences you damn well better challenge yourself as much as possible. I firmly believe that Pueblo loses today if their OOC games aren't against qualify opponents.

[MooseLodge]

I have seen both work, although the thread on the main forum makes a pretty good statistical case for not making your schedule too brutal. Then again, there are teams who will finish with a good record, but just aren't very good.

Other times, ADs may be looking at butts in seats. Like UCO keeping NSU on their schedule regardless of how they thought their record would be.

I personally like the balance of a really good test with maybe a lesser test. I never like to see good teams schedule the dregs like OPSU or the fake Lincoln who isn't even a sanctioned school. Let those teams play one another. Pitt did this a lot under old management. It hurts playoff chances, doesn't give you a real learning opportunity, and drives fans away.

I think the typical D2 attendee is pretty well educated on the quality of the opponents, and if it isn't a quality opponent, they won't show up at all. So it's a fine line.

[Predatory Primates]

I have seen both work, although the thread on the main forum makes a pretty good statistical case for not making your schedule too brutal. Then again, there are teams who will finish with a good record, but just aren't very good.

Other times, ADs may be looking at butts in seats. Like UCO keeping NSU on their schedule regardless of how they thought their record would be.

I personally like the balance of a really good test with maybe a lesser test. I never like to see good teams schedule the dregs like OPSU or the fake Lincoln who isn't even a sanctioned school. Let those teams play one another. Pitt did this a lot under old management. It hurts playoff chances, doesn't give you a real learning opportunity, and drives fans away.

[ASUPops]

Sul Ross and the New Mexico teams are typically easy wins, at least in the recent past. That ought to be enough fluff in the schedule.

Playing OPSU, Texas College, and. North American made WT weaker, not stronger.

100%

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

Most of these contracts were signed years ago, so this isn’t on Lynn. During Hughes’ tenure—by his third year—he believed the program would be competing at a high level. Before COVID, they finished 8-3 and just missed the playoffs. The three losses came against ranked opponents, and their non-conference schedule was relatively weak, which hurt their playoff chances.

To address that, they scheduled tougher regional opponents. Unfortunately, things didn’t pan out for Hughes, but Lynn inherited that challenging schedule.

At this point, though, I don’t think you can afford to schedule easy non-conference games—especially now that the MIAA is part of the region. They will get in 3 teams I believe every season.

The Grand Valley contract was in 2022 when the WT ship was starting to sink and then hit the iceberg in Canada.

WT was never in any post season consideration in 2019 because they were in a fourth place tie that they lost to ASU in head to head tiebreaker.

Usually 3 losses is a death sentence when you have 4 conferences in a region.

Pitt State could get away with it this year but they played the top 2 of the GLIAC and finished 1-1.

I get the challenge but there is a thing such as overkill.

2026 schedule first 3 games are Western Colorado at home, Grand Valley on the road, then Angelo State on the road.

That is a gauntlet for most teams but less a WT team that is trying to find traction to have a winning season.

MIAA is only getting 2 teams in this year.

[WT_TKW]

Sul Ross and the New Mexico teams are typically easy wins, at least in the recent past. That ought to be enough fluff in the schedule.

Playing OPSU, Texas College, and. North American made WT weaker, not stronger.

[AmaKnight]

Most of these contracts were signed years ago, so this isn’t on Lynn. During Hughes’ tenure—by his third year—he believed the program would be competing at a high level. Before COVID, they finished 8-3 and just missed the playoffs. The three losses came against ranked opponents, and their non-conference schedule was relatively weak, which hurt their playoff chances.

To address that, they scheduled tougher regional opponents. Unfortunately, things didn’t pan out for Hughes, but Lynn inherited that challenging schedule.

At this point, though, I don’t think you can afford to schedule easy non-conference games—especially now that the MIAA is part of the region. They will get in 3 teams I believe every season.