2016-2017 Kentucky Wesleyan basketball thread.

[kwcpantherfan]

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Looks like the GLVC might be getting some new refs...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...-over-k-state/

[Looking For 9]

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I noticed last night that Malone traveled a dozen times with no call. It did not matter much because they mostly missed the shot. I think the college kids trying what the NBA gets away with has confused the refs. On the other hand if a player fakes a shot and then dribbles it is always a travel. During a Wesleyan game refs had to tell each other to watch his feet he takes big strides.

The story above brings more respect for Michigan Tech. It was called correctly in their house. They handled the loss with great class. GLVC schools would be screaming to high heaven. Michigan Tech said Wesleyan was best team they played this year.

I think rankings ( no matter how they are done) have been a crock for years but this year they are really poor. I guess as the years goes on it may get settled but SOS in D2 this year is hard to measure.

[GMAC-Battler]

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I noticed last night that Malone traveled a dozen times with no call. It did not matter much because they mostly missed the shot. I think the college kids trying what the NBA gets away with has confused the refs. On the other hand if a player fakes a shot and then dribbles it is always a travel. During a Wesleyan game refs had to tell each other to watch his feet he takes big strides.

The story above brings more respect for Michigan Tech. It was called correctly in their house. They handled the loss with great class. GLVC schools would be screaming to high heaven. Michigan Tech said Wesleyan was best team they played this year.

I think rankings ( no matter how they are done) have been a crock for years but this year they are really poor. I guess as the years goes on it may get settled but SOS in D2 this year is hard to measure.

I think right now KWC is the second best team in the Midwest, just behind USI. And the only reason we are behind USI is because they did beat us, though in Evansville. I think by March KWC will have chemistry and a full roster they did not have against USI earlier. I only hope the regional committee doesn't pull the same garbage as last year and have KWC 7th and 8th all year in their poll. Now I do want KWC and USI to play in the regional, but I also realize it might be in the PAC. That said, I do not want them to play in the first game.

[alumnifan]

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If Wesleyan goes undefeated through the G-MAC tourney, they have to be at least a six seed. If they lose one and win the conference tournament, they could still be a six seed.

[GMAC-Battler]

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If Wesleyan goes undefeated through the G-MAC tourney, they have to be at least a six seed. If they lose one and win the conference tournament, they could still be a six seed.

It would appear that would be the case if the committee wasn't biased. But after seeing the way they railroaded KWC last season in the regional poll, I don't trust their decisions. I would argue if KWC wins out and is 27-2, wins over several GLIAC and GLVC schools, how are they not a 2 or 3 seed? They lost a close game vs. USI in Evansville, a road game in reality. USI is probably going to be the NO. 1 seed in the region if they don't choke, so why would KWC not be a 2-3 seed if they win out?

[kwcpantherfan]

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D2 isn't like D1. D2 teams don't get TV exposure and a chance for everyone, everywhere to see how good (or bad) a team is. So the committee members (most of them) really only have a team's "body of work" to look at - on paper - to determine seeding.

So last year, KWC's "body of work" included only one win over a ranked team. That was our win over King, at home. Other than that, we had a bunch of wins against teams with pitiful records, and a couple of wins over teams with decent records - but not ranked (i.e. Alderson Broaddus - 17-10). So that's what we were seeded on. This concept is called "strength of schedule" and it's very important in D2. It's important in D1 as well, to a point, but it is much more obvious and prevalent in D2.

Looking past our wins last year, we had 3 losses, all of which were fairly bad losses (i.e. losses that - on paper - a team that is higher than an 8 seed should not have). @ 16-13 North AL, @ 15-13 Northwood, and @ 16-16 Trevecca. None of those three losses helped our cause AT ALL - on paper.

Do I feel KWC was better than the seed we received? Yes. Did we get what we got because of bias on the part of the committee? Probably not. I probably felt differently about it at the time - but objectively, looking at the "body of work", we didn't prove - on paper - that we deserved higher.

This year, so far, we have 2 wins that at the moment look GOOD - against Truman St. and against Wayne St. The wins against Winona, Hillsdale and Mich Tech have potential to be good as well, depending on how the rest of those teams' seasons play out. Mich Tech is made better because it was on the road. We had opportunities for 2 more GOOD (VERY GOOD) wins in Evansville, which we failed to secure. That does hurt...but, those 2 losses are much better than the 3 from last year. They won't hurt us much at all if we run the table from here.

We still have the same issue this year as we did last - overall, our strength of schedule is just not very good. It's better than it was LAST year...but still not "good". So, we have a better shot at landing a higher seed this year. But to say that we should get the 2 or 3 seed (or higher) - it's just not going to happen. The only way would be if USI, Bellarmine, and everyone else from the GLVC and GLIAC all beat up on each other so much that they all landed around .500 in their conference schedules. And that's not going to happen.

Next season it immediately becomes better, with playing Findlay 2x, Hillsdale 2x, Walsh 2x, etc. But we still need to be aggressive in getting good teams for our non-conference schedule. We will be going from needing 15 nonconference games down to only needing 7. We can't fill those 7 with Oakland City x2, Bluefield, Salem Int'l, Southern Wesleyan. We need to continue playing against decent to good teams from the GLIAC and GLVC in order to get our SoS where it needs to be so that we don't HAVE to win-out through the conference, or even win the conference tournament. We need our SoS to be such that if we were to go say 23-4 in the regular season then lose in the conference finals, we are still in. We simply can't say that right now. Last year if we lost in the finals - with our record as good as it was - we would have been sitting at home instead of heading to Kenosha.

[alumnifan]

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Those two losses at the Ford center put Wesleyan in the position they are in now. One conference loss on the road may spell doom for their NCAA tournament seeding. That is still a long way off, anything could happen between now and then.

The athletic department at Kentucky Wesleyan really needs to promote this home winning streak. Conference play and the winning streak should increase attention for the program and increase home attendance. The team needs to be on point at cedarville.

[alumnifan]

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Wesleyan 59 - Ohio valley 23
@ the half.

[kwcpantherfan]

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Wesleyan 59 - Ohio valley 23
@ the half.

Ohio Valley trying to trash talk, pushing shoving starting fights. Pathetic display. They did the same thing in the Sportscenter last year. Not our problem they're the worst team in D2 - no need to play dirty. I hope we beat them by 100.

[alumnifan]

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Brandon Hatton squared that one dude up and told him to keep his hands off of him.

[alumnifan]

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Final

Kdub 104 @ Ohio valley 63

[KnightStalker]

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Final

Kdub 104 @ Ohio valley 63

No doubt OVU is the worst team in D2 but they do play one tough schedule. Kind of feel sorry for those kids getting beat up every game. Probably why they look like they are playing dirty, they are just frustrated.

[kwcpantherfan]

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No doubt OVU is the worst team in D2 but they do play one tough schedule. Kind of feel sorry for those kids getting beat up every game. Probably why they look like they are playing dirty, they are just frustrated.

I'd be more apt to give them that pass had it not also happened last year when they were at least somewhat competitive. Their PG got up in our PG's face and was mouthing him within the first 30 seconds of this game - and of course when our guy gave it back to him that's when the refs called the T. At least they did have the sense to T them both up...but there's no reason for that kind of stuff - especially in light of the fact that you are averaging a 40 point loss every game...what do you have to talk about?

[schnautza]

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It was OVU that scuffled for the ball in the last second of our game when down 50+ and ended up with ejections on both sides with 0.3 seconds to go. Definitely a frustrated team.

[Looking For 9]

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I was at the game. The trapping and pressing caused OVU to lose their cool. I'm not sure why we feel the need to mouth off so much. We are getting too many techs. Word will get out and refs will have a quick trigger and it could cost us. We have players with great skill and can over power many teams but we are not playing as good as we think. I think our D1 transfers do not respect D2 the way they should. One great play does not make up for two poorly run plays.