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  • For some reason, I can't update my prior post. Lets see if this works:

    Cedarville part of new athletic conference venture - Cedarville University Athletics

    10 years ago this month.

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    • I've had time to think - and the Northwood addition still make no sense at all to me. They are literally smack dab in the middle of the GLIAC.

      Scenarios where I guess it makes more sense:
      1) other MI schools are also coming (whether that be Davenport of a current NAIA)
      2) TNU and KWC are leaving
      3) NU wants to add a bunch of sports that the GLIAC doesn't offer (Men's Lacrosse, Wresting, Bowling, etc)
      4) NU caught wind that other schools are leaving the GLIAC and it proactively made sure it had a home.

      If none of those are in the works, I'm still completely puzzled.



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      • Originally posted by BlueBlood View Post
        I've had time to think - and the Northwood addition still make no sense at all to me. They are literally smack dab in the middle of the GLIAC.

        Scenarios where I guess it makes more sense:
        1) other MI schools are also coming (whether that be Davenport of a current NAIA)
        2) TNU and KWC are leaving
        3) NU wants to add a bunch of sports that the GLIAC doesn't offer (Men's Lacrosse, Wresting, Bowling, etc)
        4) NU caught wind that other schools are leaving the GLIAC and it proactively made sure it had a home.

        If none of those are in the works, I'm still completely puzzled.


        A private school, with football, wanted to join the G-MAC. When Malone dropped football it caught some people off guard. They do not want that to happen again.

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        • Originally posted by BlueBlood View Post
          I've had time to think - and the Northwood addition still make no sense at all to me. They are literally smack dab in the middle of the GLIAC.

          Scenarios where I guess it makes more sense:
          1) other MI schools are also coming (whether that be Davenport of a current NAIA)
          2) TNU and KWC are leaving
          3) NU wants to add a bunch of sports that the GLIAC doesn't offer (Men's Lacrosse, Wresting, Bowling, etc)
          4) NU caught wind that other schools are leaving the GLIAC and it proactively made sure it had a home.

          If none of those are in the works, I'm still completely puzzled.


          Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I honestly think this move has more to do with the GLIAC than the GMAC. I would bet NU caught wind of a Ferris or GVSU moving up, and sensed an implosion of the GLIAC as a result. The move makes no sense to me either, if I were NU, I would have been hyper focused on trying to help the GLIAC survive by adding some schools.

          I would bet TNU and KWC are eventually gone, but no idea when. Someone has to do the travel math eventually and realize there is another option for both those schools (KWC to GLVC? TNU to GSC?)

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          • Originally posted by UFOILERFAN View Post

            A private school, with football, wanted to join the G-MAC. When Malone dropped football it caught some people off guard. They do not want that to happen again.
            I understand that argument. I just wish that if the conference was looking to add private schools with football, they would have gone with Uindy, NDC, or the Indiana NAIAs before Northwood.

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            • Originally posted by Uindy18 View Post

              I understand that argument. I just wish that if the conference was looking to add private schools with football, they would have gone with Uindy, NDC, or the Indiana NAIAs before Northwood.
              Me too, but apparently those schools aren't ready to join.

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              • Originally posted by UFOILERFAN View Post

                Me too, but apparently those schools aren't ready to join.
                Guess so, I always wish I knew whether or not schools approached conferences or if conferences approached schools about joining. One one hand, conferences operate at the member school's discretion. But on the other, if I was the GMAC commissioner, I would at least have a mental list of schools that I want or do not want in my conference.

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                • Originally posted by Uindy18 View Post

                  Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I honestly think this move has more to do with the GLIAC than the GMAC. I would bet NU caught wind of a Ferris or GVSU moving up, and sensed an implosion of the GLIAC as a result. The move makes no sense to me either, if I were NU, I would have been hyper focused on trying to help the GLIAC survive by adding some schools.

                  I would bet TNU and KWC are eventually gone, but no idea when. Someone has to do the travel math eventually and realize there is another option for both those schools (KWC to GLVC? TNU to GSC?)
                  Travel is not much different for KWC or TNU in either conference set up. Though for TNU, 6 hour trips South are much better than 8 hour trips north in winter! Adding Northwood makes KWC/TNU situation worse without a doubt! For KWC travel time average for GMAC is almost 6 hours and would be the same for Gulf South. GLVC travel time is almost 5 hours. IF USI and Indy leave GVLC, it jumps to over 5 hours.

                  I agree that I wish Indy were joining GMAC instead of Northwood. When it comes to NAIA - from a KWC/TNU perspective maybe Marion, Cumberland, Georgetown, or Campbellsville. Of course the KY schools tried moving up before and failed. Not sure if the appetite is there to try again.

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                  • Originally posted by WKYDave View Post

                    Travel is not much different for KWC or TNU in either conference set up. Though for TNU, 6 hour trips South are much better than 8 hour trips north in winter! Adding Northwood makes KWC/TNU situation worse without a doubt! For KWC travel time average for GMAC is almost 6 hours and would be the same for Gulf South. GLVC travel time is almost 5 hours. IF USI and Indy leave GVLC, it jumps to over 5 hours.

                    I agree that I wish Indy were joining GMAC instead of Northwood. When it comes to NAIA - from a KWC/TNU perspective maybe Marion, Cumberland, Georgetown, or Campbellsville. Of course the KY schools tried moving up before and failed. Not sure if the appetite is there to try again.
                    I do not think it would be for the NAIAs in KY. I could see the NAIAs in Indiana go, but I think it only happen under a couple of circumstances. First, Uindy to the GMAC. Second, the GMAC would have to add either 2 or all 4. I think Marian and Saint Francis would only go as a pair, and the same for Indiana Wesleyan and Taylor. Do I think any of this would happen? Probably not, or at least not anytime soon with COVID making budgets tight.

                    My point is that if you made me king of lower level college sports , I would essentially destroy the MSFA in NAIA by:

                    Send the Indiana schools(Marian, Saint Francis, Indiana Wesleyan and Taylor) to the GMAC with Uindy and NDC
                    Send the Michigan ones (Lawrence Tech, Madonna, Concordia-Ann Arbor, and Siena Heights) in the GLIAC along with Lewis
                    Send Saint Ambrose and Missouri Baptist into the GLVC along with KWC.
                    TNU moves to the GSC
                    Keep NU in the GLIAC
                    Leave the NAIA Illinois teams to fend for themselves in NAIA.
                    Last edited by Uindy18; 06-11-2021, 04:58 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Uindy18 View Post

                      I understand that argument. I just wish that if the conference was looking to add private schools with football, they would have gone with Uindy, NDC, or the Indiana NAIAs before Northwood.
                      The issue with trying to get those schools is you have to have some bait to get them to bit. Adding Northwood, although not a 'powerhouse', makes the conference more stable and makes it more attractive for the big fish, UIndy.

                      As far as Northwood leaving the GLIAC, it's overdue. Word is they were ready to pull the trigger before that massive flood hit Midland. Once that happened, they went into rebuild mode. Now that they're past that, it was time. For them, why stay in a league with multiple schools that boast 20,000+ students and is becoming more irrelevant every week it seems? Plus, yes they have a long trip to Nashville, but they also have lengthy trips now to the Upper Penninsula schools, and even over to Wisconsin-Parkside. It probably adds more travel overall, yes, but as far as 'fit', the G-MAC makes much more sense than the GLIAC for them.

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                      • Originally posted by GetOily View Post

                        The issue with trying to get those schools is you have to have some bait to get them to bit. Adding Northwood, although not a 'powerhouse', makes the conference more stable and makes it more attractive for the big fish, UIndy.

                        As far as Northwood leaving the GLIAC, it's overdue. Word is they were ready to pull the trigger before that massive flood hit Midland. Once that happened, they went into rebuild mode. Now that they're past that, it was time. For them, why stay in a league with multiple schools that boast 20,000+ students and is becoming more irrelevant every week it seems? Plus, yes they have a long trip to Nashville, but they also have lengthy trips now to the Upper Penninsula schools, and even over to Wisconsin-Parkside. It probably adds more travel overall, yes, but as far as 'fit', the G-MAC makes much more sense than the GLIAC for them.
                        I can understand some of the move for Northwood, and the GMAC, but I can't help for wondering why now? I mean they could have gone with the rest of the GLIAC defectors a few years ago, or with Ashland last year. I had not considered the role of the flood, but I still have a feeling that there is more to this story in the GLIAC.

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                        • I can definitely understand why the private schools like being together. Private schools obviously don’t have state funding to help pay the bills. They live and die by the number of students they enroll. And in recent years, many are using sports as a primary recruiting tool to boost enrollment at their school. We’ve done the math on here before and it’s obvious that at some schools, sports is clearly THE primary recruiting tool. It’s why you are seeing schools add lacrosse, men’s volleyball, wrestling and bowling. Many of the kids at G-MAC schools would probably go to OSU, UK or UT (or some other “name-brand” school) but-for the opportunity they have to play college sports. I see the pattern with my kids friends. Most of their friends go to larger well-known universities. The few friends that they have at small private schools - they all play sports. And almost none of those kids are a full ride - I can pretty much guarantee you that even with partial scholarship $ - they are still paying much more to attend the small private school than they would have if they attended a large well-known in-state school.

                          Given all that, a private school president likely has different goals for his athletic department than a public school president does. His first goal is probably for the athletic dept to put a bunch of butts in the seats (a good-size athletic department can add 700, 800, or more students). After that, winning is nice. You are more likely to see fewer sports offerings and a more intense focus on winning in those fewer sports at a public school.

                          I know I used a lot of generalizations above. There are certainly schools that don’t fit in that narrative. However, I’ve been noticing the overall pattern for years now.
                          Last edited by BlueBlood; 06-11-2021, 03:32 PM.

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                          • And to expand on the pattern I see with my kids friends, these are the 3 big groups I see (not in any kind of order):

                            1) kids going to large well-known schools.
                            2) kids going to local community colleges, commuting to the local state school, local nursing schools, etc - kids who are clearly trying to be smart shoppers and get the most education for the smallest price.
                            3) kids who have a deep desire to play college sports and are willing to go to lesser-known and far-away schools in order to accomplish that goal.

                            That doesn’t account for every kid, but those are clearly the three big groups I see.

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