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  • #31
    Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Before anyone says it yes we all realize that half of the bottom 15 are from SR1. Hopefully the new century will bring new opportunities.
    Hey 6 of the top 25 are SR1. Gotta look on the brightish side

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    • #32
      Originally posted by canadarican View Post

      Hey 6 of the top 25 are SR1. Gotta look on the brightish side
      I'll take whatever works to bring a NC trophy to someone, ANYONE, in SR1 !!!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by canadarican View Post
        Several years ago I came up with a points system based off regular season win percentage and playoff performance. I started it in 2007, when I was a freshman at Carson-Newman. so about 12 years of data.
        1 NORTHWEST MISSOURI MIAA 158 22 0.878 351 351.878
        2 VALDOSTA STATE GSC 116 35 0.768 207 207.768
        3 MINNESOTA DULUTH NSIC 137 28 0.830 153 153.830
        4 MINNESOTA STATE NSIC 135 30 0.818 105 105.818
        5 GRAND VALLEY GLIAC 131 32 0.804 94 94.804
        6 WEST FLORIDA GSC 35 17 0.673 94 94.673
        7 CSU-PUEBLO RMAC 117 27 0.813 90 90.813
        8 SHEPHERD PSAC 123 30 0.804 80 80.804
        9 North Alabama Lions GSC 100 34 0.746 77 77.746
        10 TEXAS A&M-COMMERCE LSC 88 63 0.583 77 77.583
        11 FERRIS STATE GLIAC 111 47 0.703 74 74.703
        12 PITTSBURG STATE MIAA 106 46 0.697 69 69.697
        13 DELTA STATE GSC 93 55 0.628 62 62.628
        14 CAL U. PSAC 119 36 0.768 57 57.768
        15 LENOIR-RHYNE SAC 94 57 0.623 51 51.623
        16 WINSTON-SALEM CIAA 84 30 0.737 50 50.737
        17 WEST GEORGIA GSC 77 71 0.520 34 34.520
        18 IUP PSAC 111 41 0.730 32 32.730
        19 SLIPPERY ROCK PSAC 109 45 0.708 31 31.708
        20 WAYNE STATE (MICH.) GLIAC 81 66 0.551 31 31.551
        21 CARSON-NEWMAN SAC 103 47 0.687 30 30.687
        22 WEST TEXAS A&M LSC 104 51 0.671 29 29.671
        23 WEST CHESTER PSAC 108 47 0.697 27 27.697
        24 HARDING GAC 100 50 0.667 26 26.667
        25 NOTRE DAME MEC 69 47 0.595 22 22.595
        NWMSU should move up.

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        • #34
          So here's my top 21 teams currently playing D2. The 21 is accidental because this list represents every team currently still in D2 that have appeared in the NC. Every team got 2 points for appearing in the game and an additional 4 points for winning. In the event of a tie, recency is the tie breaker. I would have cut the list off at 20 but I would have been removing only one team from a complete list of appearances, and that is the only occasion in which the SIAC appeared in the NC. I couldn't do it :-). The numbers in parenthesis = (appearances-wins).
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          1 Northwest Missouri State (10-6) MIAA 44
          2 Grand Valley State (6-4) GLIAC 28
          3 Valdosta State (5-4) GSC 26
          4 Pittsburg State (5-2) MIAA 18
          5 Minnesota–Duluth (2-2) NSIC 12
          6 Delta State (2-1) GSC 8
          7 West Florida (2-1) GSC 8
          8 Carson–Newman (3-0) SAC 6
          9 CSU–Pueblo (1-1) RMAC 6
          10 Texas A&M–Commerce (1-1) LSC 6
          11 Minnesota State–Mankato (2-0) NSIC 4
          12 Indiana (PA) (2-0) PSAC 4
          13 Ferris State (1-0) GLIAC 2
          14 Shepherd (1-0) PSAC 2
          15 Lenoir–Rhyne (1-0) SAC 2
          16 Winston-Salem State (1-0) CIAA 2
          17 Wayne State (MI) (1-0) GLIAC 2
          18 Bloomsburg (1-0) PSAC 2
          19 New Haven (1-0) NE-10 2
          20 Texas A&M–Kingsville (1-0) LSC 2
          21 Central State (1-0) SIAC 2
          .
          I did have to remove Mississippi College because their 1989 title was vacated.
          Last edited by boyblue; 10-14-2021, 03:30 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by boyblue View Post
            So here's my top 21 teams currently playing D2. The 21 is accidental because this list represents every team currently still in D2 that have appeared in the NC. Every team got 2 points for appearing in the game and an additional 4 points for winning. In the event of a tie, recency is the tie breaker. I would have cut the list off at 20 but I would have been removing only one team from a complete list of appearances, and that is the only occasion in which the SIAC appeared in the NC. I couldn't do it :-). The numbers in parenthesis = (appearances-wins).
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            1 Northwest Missouri State (10-6) MIAA 44
            2 Grand Valley State (6-4) GLIAC 28
            3 Valdosta State (5-4) GSC 26
            4 Pittsburg State (5-2) MIAA 18
            5 Minnesota–Duluth (2-2) NSIC 12
            6 Delta State (2-1) GSC 8
            7 West Florida (2-1) GSC 8
            8 Carson–Newman (3-0) SAC 6
            9 CSU–Pueblo (1-1) RMAC 6
            10 Texas A&M–Commerce (1-1) LSC 6
            11 Minnesota State–Mankato (2-0) NSIC 4
            12 Indiana (PA) (2-0) PSAC 4
            13 Ferris State (1-0) GLIAC 2
            14 Shepherd (1-0) PSAC 2
            15 Lenoir–Rhyne (1-0) SAC 2
            16 Winston-Salem State (1-0) CIAA 2
            17 Wayne State (MI) (1-0) GLIAC 2
            18 Bloomsburg (1-0) PSAC 2
            19 New Haven (1-0) NE-10 2
            20 Texas A&M–Kingsville (1-0) LSC 2
            21 Central State (1-0) SIAC 2
            .
            I did have to remove Mississippi College because their 1989 title was vacated.
            I feel proud when people post stuff like this lol. Nice work amigo!

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            • #36
              What conference was Central State in when they played in a championship game? Because they only recently joined the SIAC.

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              • #37
                They were independent. Four years later they switched to NAIA Division I and were a championship contender there for a decade... until the NAIA Division I football championship ended after the 1996 season and Central State elected to drop football. They re-added football when they moved back to D2.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
                  SR4 - NSIC:

                  -Mankato and Duluth are the big dogs of the conference. Duluth has two National Titles (2008, 2010) and still consistently makes the playoffs. Mankato has two runners up (2014, 2019).
                  -Sioux Falls was a hot commodity moving from the NAIA to D2. They've cooled off a bit in the past couple of seasons, but they're still a team to watch.

                  Won't speak on the other conferences in the SR4.
                  RMAC
                  Colorado Mines- always has a great offense, used to be all throwing during the Stitt era now they’ve been running the ball much better. Never usually schedule much as far as OOC games. They’re a playoff team most of the recent years but haven’t made it past the second round to my recollection.

                  CSUP- Usually a really solid defense and running game. The other typical playoff team from the RMAC. Made a championship run in 2014 and the regional finals in 2015 but haven’t made much noise in the playoffs outside those 2 years.

                  Chadron- Used to be the best team in the conference and a great history. Haven’t really recovered since O’Boyles (old HC) departure

                  Mesa/ Western- both teams will have their spurts of success, Mesa has the facilities/ location to be alright. Western has arguably the best history in the conference but has difficulty luring the horses to Gunnison to be competitive nationally.

                  GNAC
                  No matter who you’re talking about they’re top 3 in the conference. CWU appears to be the most competitive of the 3 most years. The conference is on life support after losing APU, Humboldt, Western Washington, SD Mines, Dixie…..

                  LSC
                  Commerce has to be the first listed here, made a title run and has been competitive out of region as of late

                  WT hasn’t been the same without Carthel at the helm but has great facilities and competes nationally at every other sport

                  Midwestern puts a really good team together every now and again not unusual to see them make a 2nd round game

                  another conference struggling with departures (Tarleton, ACU, Commerce in the future) but these guys are going FCS instead of dropping programs or losing them to other conferences like the GNAC
                  Last edited by twolfbenchwarmer; 10-15-2021, 10:14 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post

                    I'll take whatever works to bring a NC trophy to someone, ANYONE, in SR1 !!!
                    Personally I would like to see New Haven get in so I can feel better about them when they move up to D1.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by cwfenn View Post

                      Personally I would like to see New Haven get in so I can feel better about them when they move up to D1.
                      Unfortunately these upgrades seem to happen to get a slice of the March Madness pie. Football programs, even strong ones, usually get chewed up for 0-7 yrs before they reach competitive, if they ever do. Two programs I know you're familiar with, North Alabama and LIU (C.W.POST) made that jump and, to date, the results are underwhelming. The Lions of UNA have had a particularly hard time considering their status in D2. Since switching in '18 they've gone 7-3, 4-7, 0-4, 0-6--11-20. The Sharks of LIU have had it even worse 0-10, 2-2, 0-4 with that great Western Pa football power St Francis of Loretto stomping them 10-55 last Saturday. Honestly there are many programs in all divisions that should be downgraded or eliminated. Good luck to the CHARGERS !!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post

                        Unfortunately these upgrades seem to happen to get a slice of the March Madness pie. Football programs, even strong ones, usually get chewed up for 0-7 yrs before they reach competitive, if they ever do. Two programs I know you're familiar with, North Alabama and LIU (C.W.POST) made that jump and, to date, the results are underwhelming. The Lions of UNA have had a particularly hard time considering their status in D2. Since switching in '18 they've gone 7-3, 4-7, 0-4, 0-6--11-20. The Sharks of LIU have had it even worse 0-10, 2-2, 0-4 with that great Western Pa football power St Francis of Loretto stomping them 10-55 last Saturday. Honestly there are many programs in all divisions that should be downgraded or eliminated. Good luck to the CHARGERS !!
                        I just don't understand the lure of moving up for the most part. Other than march madness money. Another example of a school that moved up and probably shouldn't have was Presbyterian. They werent winning in the SAC most of the time, moved up and got destroyed for years. Now they play non-scholly in the Pioneer league or whatever it is.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by canadarican View Post

                          I just don't understand the lure of moving up for the most part. Other than march madness money. Another example of a school that moved up and probably shouldn't have was Presbyterian. They werent winning in the SAC most of the time, moved up and got destroyed for years. Now they play non-scholly in the Pioneer league or whatever it is.
                          They also hired the "never punt" HS coach from Arkansas, and it's honestly been pretty fun to watch as a neutral observer

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post

                            Unfortunately these upgrades seem to happen to get a slice of the March Madness pie. Football programs, even strong ones, usually get chewed up for 0-7 yrs before they reach competitive, if they ever do. Two programs I know you're familiar with, North Alabama and LIU (C.W.POST) made that jump and, to date, the results are underwhelming. The Lions of UNA have had a particularly hard time considering their status in D2. Since switching in '18 they've gone 7-3, 4-7, 0-4, 0-6--11-20. The Sharks of LIU have had it even worse 0-10, 2-2, 0-4 with that great Western Pa football power St Francis of Loretto stomping them 10-55 last Saturday. Honestly there are many programs in all divisions that should be downgraded or eliminated. Good luck to the CHARGERS !!
                            NDSU, UND, and both SD and SDSU have had FCS success.

                            Agree that most schools suffer.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by canadarican View Post
                              I did come up with a "bottom" of D2 over past 12 years. These are all teams that have not made the postseason and have won less than 20% of their games. I will cut Wheeling and Franklin Pierce some slack due to only having 1 season. This also includes former DII football teams Brevard, Malone, Minnesota Crookston and Cheyney.
                              MILLERSVILLE PSAC 28 115 0.196 0 0.196
                              BREVARD SAC 21 87 0.194 0 0.194
                              MINOT STATE NSIC 19 79 0.194 0 0.194
                              PACE NE-10 25 108 0.188 0 0.188
                              SHORTER GSC 14 73 0.161 0 0.161
                              SOUTHERN NAZARENE GAC 14 74 0.159 0 0.159
                              SIMON FRASER IND 16 85 0.158 0 0.158
                              LINCOLN (MO.) MIAA 20 119 0.144 0 0.144
                              LOCK HAVEN PSAC 19 122 0.135 0 0.135
                              LINCOLN (PA.) CIAA 16 103 0.134 0 0.134
                              MALONE GMAC 8 63 0.113 0 0.113
                              MINNESOTA-CROOKSTON 13 129 0.092 0 0.092
                              FRANKLIN PIERCE NE-10 1 10 0.091 0 0.091
                              WHEELING MEC 1 10 0.091 0 0.091
                              CHEYNEY PSAC 6 115 0.050 0 0.050
                              Simon Frasier is GNAC, not independent. GNAC is also strong in sports other than football, meaning most of the conference doesn't have football. Alaska Anchorage though is bringing its hockey back.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Wildcat Khan View Post

                                Simon Frasier is GNAC, not independent. GNAC is also strong in sports other than football, meaning most of the conference doesn't have football. Alaska Anchorage though is bringing its hockey back.
                                Typo. My bad boss.

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