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Originally posted by canadarican View PostSeveral years ago I came up with a points system based off regular season win percentage and playoff performance. I started it in 2007, when I was a freshman at Carson-Newman. so about 12 years of data.
1 NORTHWEST MISSOURI MIAA 158 22 0.878 351 351.878 2 VALDOSTA STATE GSC 116 35 0.768 207 207.768 3 MINNESOTA DULUTH NSIC 137 28 0.830 153 153.830 4 MINNESOTA STATE NSIC 135 30 0.818 105 105.818 5 GRAND VALLEY GLIAC 131 32 0.804 94 94.804 6 WEST FLORIDA GSC 35 17 0.673 94 94.673 7 CSU-PUEBLO RMAC 117 27 0.813 90 90.813 8 SHEPHERD PSAC 123 30 0.804 80 80.804 9 North Alabama Lions GSC 100 34 0.746 77 77.746 10 TEXAS A&M-COMMERCE LSC 88 63 0.583 77 77.583 11 FERRIS STATE GLIAC 111 47 0.703 74 74.703 12 PITTSBURG STATE MIAA 106 46 0.697 69 69.697 13 DELTA STATE GSC 93 55 0.628 62 62.628 14 CAL U. PSAC 119 36 0.768 57 57.768 15 LENOIR-RHYNE SAC 94 57 0.623 51 51.623 16 WINSTON-SALEM CIAA 84 30 0.737 50 50.737 17 WEST GEORGIA GSC 77 71 0.520 34 34.520 18 IUP PSAC 111 41 0.730 32 32.730 19 SLIPPERY ROCK PSAC 109 45 0.708 31 31.708 20 WAYNE STATE (MICH.) GLIAC 81 66 0.551 31 31.551 21 CARSON-NEWMAN SAC 103 47 0.687 30 30.687 22 WEST TEXAS A&M LSC 104 51 0.671 29 29.671 23 WEST CHESTER PSAC 108 47 0.697 27 27.697 24 HARDING GAC 100 50 0.667 26 26.667 25 NOTRE DAME MEC 69 47 0.595 22 22.595
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So here's my top 21 teams currently playing D2. The 21 is accidental because this list represents every team currently still in D2 that have appeared in the NC. Every team got 2 points for appearing in the game and an additional 4 points for winning. In the event of a tie, recency is the tie breaker. I would have cut the list off at 20 but I would have been removing only one team from a complete list of appearances, and that is the only occasion in which the SIAC appeared in the NC. I couldn't do it :-). The numbers in parenthesis = (appearances-wins).
..1 Northwest Missouri State (10-6) MIAA 44 2 Grand Valley State (6-4) GLIAC 28 3 Valdosta State (5-4) GSC 26 4 Pittsburg State (5-2) MIAA 18 5 NSIC 12 6 Delta State (2-1) GSC 8 7 West Florida (2-1) GSC 8 8 SAC 6 9 RMAC 6 10 LSC 6 11 NSIC 4 12 Indiana (PA) (2-0) PSAC 4 13 Ferris State (1-0) GLIAC 2 14 Shepherd (1-0) PSAC 2 15 SAC 2 16 Winston-Salem State (1-0) CIAA 2 17 Wayne State (MI) (1-0) GLIAC 2 18 Bloomsburg (1-0) PSAC 2 19 New Haven (1-0) NE-10 2 20 LSC 2 21 Central State (1-0) SIAC 2
I did have to remove Mississippi College because their 1989 title was vacated.Last edited by boyblue; 10-14-2021, 03:30 PM.
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Originally posted by boyblue View PostSo here's my top 21 teams currently playing D2. The 21 is accidental because this list represents every team currently still in D2 that have appeared in the NC. Every team got 2 points for appearing in the game and an additional 4 points for winning. In the event of a tie, recency is the tie breaker. I would have cut the list off at 20 but I would have been removing only one team from a complete list of appearances, and that is the only occasion in which the SIAC appeared in the NC. I couldn't do it :-). The numbers in parenthesis = (appearances-wins).
..1 Northwest Missouri State (10-6) MIAA 44 2 Grand Valley State (6-4) GLIAC 28 3 Valdosta State (5-4) GSC 26 4 Pittsburg State (5-2) MIAA 18 5 NSIC 12 6 Delta State (2-1) GSC 8 7 West Florida (2-1) GSC 8 8 SAC 6 9 RMAC 6 10 LSC 6 11 NSIC 4 12 Indiana (PA) (2-0) PSAC 4 13 Ferris State (1-0) GLIAC 2 14 Shepherd (1-0) PSAC 2 15 SAC 2 16 Winston-Salem State (1-0) CIAA 2 17 Wayne State (MI) (1-0) GLIAC 2 18 Bloomsburg (1-0) PSAC 2 19 New Haven (1-0) NE-10 2 20 LSC 2 21 Central State (1-0) SIAC 2
I did have to remove Mississippi College because their 1989 title was vacated.
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They were independent. Four years later they switched to NAIA Division I and were a championship contender there for a decade... until the NAIA Division I football championship ended after the 1996 season and Central State elected to drop football. They re-added football when they moved back to D2.
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Originally posted by SW_Mustang View PostSR4 - NSIC:
-Mankato and Duluth are the big dogs of the conference. Duluth has two National Titles (2008, 2010) and still consistently makes the playoffs. Mankato has two runners up (2014, 2019).
-Sioux Falls was a hot commodity moving from the NAIA to D2. They've cooled off a bit in the past couple of seasons, but they're still a team to watch.
Won't speak on the other conferences in the SR4.Last edited by twolfbenchwarmer; 10-15-2021, 10:14 AM.
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Originally posted by cwfenn View Post
Personally I would like to see New Haven get in so I can feel better about them when they move up to D1.
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Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
Unfortunately these upgrades seem to happen to get a slice of the March Madness pie. Football programs, even strong ones, usually get chewed up for 0-7 yrs before they reach competitive, if they ever do. Two programs I know you're familiar with, North Alabama and LIU (C.W.POST) made that jump and, to date, the results are underwhelming. The Lions of UNA have had a particularly hard time considering their status in D2. Since switching in '18 they've gone 7-3, 4-7, 0-4, 0-6--11-20. The Sharks of LIU have had it even worse 0-10, 2-2, 0-4 with that great Western Pa football power St Francis of Loretto stomping them 10-55 last Saturday. Honestly there are many programs in all divisions that should be downgraded or eliminated. Good luck to the CHARGERS !!
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Originally posted by canadarican View Post
I just don't understand the lure of moving up for the most part. Other than march madness money. Another example of a school that moved up and probably shouldn't have was Presbyterian. They werent winning in the SAC most of the time, moved up and got destroyed for years. Now they play non-scholly in the Pioneer league or whatever it is.
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Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
Unfortunately these upgrades seem to happen to get a slice of the March Madness pie. Football programs, even strong ones, usually get chewed up for 0-7 yrs before they reach competitive, if they ever do. Two programs I know you're familiar with, North Alabama and LIU (C.W.POST) made that jump and, to date, the results are underwhelming. The Lions of UNA have had a particularly hard time considering their status in D2. Since switching in '18 they've gone 7-3, 4-7, 0-4, 0-6--11-20. The Sharks of LIU have had it even worse 0-10, 2-2, 0-4 with that great Western Pa football power St Francis of Loretto stomping them 10-55 last Saturday. Honestly there are many programs in all divisions that should be downgraded or eliminated. Good luck to the CHARGERS !!
Agree that most schools suffer.
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Originally posted by canadarican View PostI did come up with a "bottom" of D2 over past 12 years. These are all teams that have not made the postseason and have won less than 20% of their games. I will cut Wheeling and Franklin Pierce some slack due to only having 1 season. This also includes former DII football teams Brevard, Malone, Minnesota Crookston and Cheyney.
MILLERSVILLE PSAC 28 115 0.196 0 0.196 BREVARD SAC 21 87 0.194 0 0.194 MINOT STATE NSIC 19 79 0.194 0 0.194 PACE NE-10 25 108 0.188 0 0.188 SHORTER GSC 14 73 0.161 0 0.161 SOUTHERN NAZARENE GAC 14 74 0.159 0 0.159 SIMON FRASER IND 16 85 0.158 0 0.158 LINCOLN (MO.) MIAA 20 119 0.144 0 0.144 LOCK HAVEN PSAC 19 122 0.135 0 0.135 LINCOLN (PA.) CIAA 16 103 0.134 0 0.134 MALONE GMAC 8 63 0.113 0 0.113 MINNESOTA-CROOKSTON 13 129 0.092 0 0.092 FRANKLIN PIERCE NE-10 1 10 0.091 0 0.091 WHEELING MEC 1 10 0.091 0 0.091 CHEYNEY PSAC 6 115 0.050 0 0.050
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