Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

[Stea1th]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

I fail to see how the MEC can somehow take credit for our Wrestling National Championship in a non-MEC sport, but whatever.

[boatcapt]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

I fail to see how the MEC can somehow take credit for our Wrestling National Championship in a non-MEC sport, but whatever.

They are a member school who's athletic department reaps benefit from being a member.

So, I have stated that the MEC's athletic success is better than the GMAC's and that, coupled with the shorter driving distance might be enough to saw Ashland were the GMAC has failed. I've been told on this board that that is NOT the case and that the GMAC is every bit as successful as the MEC. For the sake of comparison, what is the GMAC's record of NCAA success since it's inception? I mean, it they are equally as successful as the MEC, it would be worth knowing...RIGHT?? How many National Titles has the GMAC won? How many NC games have they appeared in? How many regional titles?

[Ram Tough]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Come on now. A conference doesn't get a title in a sport it doesn't have. That would be like the Summit League taking credit for Denver's men's lacrosse title. Of course, Denver plays lacrosse in the Big East, so that makes it a Big East program.

[boatcapt]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Come on now. A conference doesn't get a title in a sport it doesn't have. That would be like the Summit League taking credit for Denver's men's lacrosse title. Of course, Denver plays lacrosse in the Big East, so that makes it a Big East program.

Exactly...so it would be a Big East title because they were a member of the Big East for wrestling. If they were an independent, it would be a Summit League credit.

[UFOILERFAN]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

I would not be surprised if the MEC has approached Ashland regarding membership. I would also not be surprised if Ashland responded "WHO?" .

[BlueBlood]

Boatcapt, your premise is clearly rooted in a belief that the MEC is a competitively superior conference to the G-MAC. Is your belief related to football-only, or is this an all-sports perspective? Does the loss of Shepherd change your view at all? While I admit that there was an undeniable gap years ago (when the G-MAC only had 2-3 football schools), The last 2 years of expansion have certainly changed the G-MAC's standing. Given Findlay's performance in last year's football playoffs (combined with the G-MAC addition of Tiffin and the MEC loss of Shepherd) and the G-MAC's list of schools in this years top-100 of the Directors Cup standings, I could probably make the argument that the G-MAC may have surpassed the MEC both in football and all-sports. I will refrain from going there, as competitiveness is fluid and one year does not make a trend. However, I just don't see the big gap that you keep alluding to.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Lordy .... football can't get here fast enough.

[Ram Tough]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Exactly...so it would be a Big East title because they were a member of the Big East for wrestling. If they were an independent, it would be a Summit League credit.

Ummmm ... No. The Summit League would have nothing to do with it anyway.

[boatcapt]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

BoatCapt, If you re-read my post, I completely concede that the MEC has had a more successful early go. For some of those years, we only had 6 schools (that no other conference wanted). However, my post was directed toward the present and future. The G-MAC has certainly worked to improve its standing via expansion. This year, the G-MAC had 4 teams in the Directors Cup top 100

Yea...I don't take the Directors Cup very seriously. They seem to forget about teams at random intervals...This year they appear to have forgotten about UVA-Wise in the MEC, Cheyney in the PSAC and Cedarville, KWC and Trevecca from the GMAC...And these are the three conferences I checked! I would imagine that there are other schools they forgot about from other conferences as well. Kind of like those preseason DII polls that give a "break down" of teams and include players that graduated the previous year and then expect you to trust that they are DII experts.

[BlueBlood]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Yea...I don't take the Directors Cup very seriously. They seem to forget about teams at random intervals...This year they appear to have forgotten about UVA-Wise in the MEC, Cheyney in the PSAC and Cedarville, KWC and Trevecca from the GMAC...And these are the three conferences I checked! I would imagine that there are other schools they forgot about from other conferences as well. Kind of like those preseason DII polls that give a "break down" of teams and include players that graduated the previous year and then expect you to trust that they are DII experts.

[boatcapt]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

That could be. But I also have an issue with the point allocation among the various sports. For example, there are 10 teams in the nation that play DII Field Hockey. The winner of Field Hockey gets 100 points in the standings...Just like the #1 Football team. The #5 Field Hockey team gets 25 points...just like the TWELVE #17 rated Football teams!! Don't worry though, Alaska Fairbanks did pick up 112 points for finishing #6 and 12 in Riffle and Skiing (I'm assuming that is snow skiing??)!!:bulgy-eyes:

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Bad timing ... I'd have been a clear cut, blue chip, full ride, D1 bowler.

Ahead of my time.

I'm sure, BTW, the bowling studs get all the chicks.

[boatcapt]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Bad timing ... I'd have been a clear cut, blue chip, full ride, D1 bowler.

Ahead of my time.

I'm sure, BTW, the bowling studs get all the chicks.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You could have gotten your school 100 Directors Cup points! That alone would have been enough to rank your team above 18 SR1 schools!!!!!!!!!

Bowing atuds don't get the chicks...That is unless you're Ernie McCracken..."Big Ern" gets ALL the ladies!!!

[ESU Warrior]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

Sorry...Been working nights.

In just five years of existence, MEC institutions have produced:

Three team NCAA Division II champions
Seven national finals appearances
18 national semifinals appearances
18 Atlantic Region/SR1 titles
104 NCAA postseason berths
Every MEC team has been selected at least once to participate in the NCAA playoffs

This comes out to:

.6 National Championships per year
3.6 Regional Titles per year

According to the GLIAC web site between 2000 and 2018 (18 years) they have achieved:

24 National Championships
142 Regional Championships

That works out to:

1.3 National Championships per year
7.8 Regional Titles per year

Care to post the GMAC's "resume" so we can compare??

18 years? You do know about half of the current GMAC schools competed in 16 of those 18 years in the GLIAC??

[Brandon]

Re: Derek Redd reports Shepherd is leaving the MEC after next year

In my opinion, the director's cup should only count.

Football/Volleyball
Cross Country/Cross Country
Basketball/Basketball
Baseball/Softball
Track&Field/Track&Field

Something like that. The same T&F team can score director's cup points for both indoor and outdoor.