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Originally posted by ironmaniup View Post
Its essentially like some of the big community college systems in California.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostJust listened to a podcast that did a short segment on "stackable credentials." One thing that I didn't consider is that they can be industry specific. One industry they see rapidly changing is logistics. A logistics or supply chain certificate could give the minimal training needed for a delivery driver to transition to a supervisory role. I imagine this could also be done for manufacturing. North-Central PA is littered with small tool & die shops mostly staffed by workers without a college degree.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Financial and geographic access are the #1 drivers of PASSHE enrollment.
I can't find the data to accurately cite, but most students attending PASSHE schools are from within 50-75 miles of campus. So when IUP cuts art programs that doesn't necessarily mean that Edinboro benefits. When Clarion and Edinboro cut music programs, the enrollment in music programs at IUP and Slippery Rock didn't increase.
The only variable that will increase enrollment is reducing cost (increasing the savings from state related branches and regional privates). Reducing locations will reduce enrollment.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post"California, Clarion and Edinboro universities would function as a single unit specializing in online education, and Bloomsburg, Lock Haven and Mansfield would focus on stackable and nondegree credentials, PASSHE officials have said. "
https://www.educationdive.com/news/p...m-cuts/588220/
What would a nondegree credential include? EMT, CPR, fracking equipment, CDL, lifeguard certification? You don't need a university for certificates.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
Oh, I think it's a great idea, enabling the schools to reach out and expand into the private sector/labor market as well as engage in cooperative arrangements with governmental and quasi-governmental groups. It's going to create revenue.
The other positive thing is, in most cases, the payer is the employer. It also fills a gap for unemployed, underemployed, displaced workers, etc. and the payer for that is the state of PA.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostJust listened to a podcast that did a short segment on "stackable credentials." One thing that I didn't consider is that they can be industry specific. One industry they see rapidly changing is logistics. A logistics or supply chain certificate could give the minimal training needed for a delivery driver to transition to a supervisory role. I imagine this could also be done for manufacturing. North-Central PA is littered with small tool & die shops mostly staffed by workers without a college degree.
The other positive thing is, in most cases, the payer is the employer. It also fills a gap for unemployed, underemployed, displaced workers, etc. and the payer for that is the state of PA.
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Just listened to a podcast that did a short segment on "stackable credentials." One thing that I didn't consider is that they can be industry specific. One industry they see rapidly changing is logistics. A logistics or supply chain certificate could give the minimal training needed for a delivery driver to transition to a supervisory role. I imagine this could also be done for manufacturing. North-Central PA is littered with small tool & die shops mostly staffed by workers without a college degree.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I'm not sure that marketing this stuff beyond the northcentral region is part of that plan. The language used by PASSHE is all about supporting the regional economy. In SEPA, I think this market is saturated. PASSHE might be able to undercut the Villanovas, the Penns, the St. Joes, and Temples on price, who knows. Not to mention private companies that provide these courses. A lot of it is also sponsored by large companies so PASSHE will have to pry these group sales away from more trusted institutions.
As for fracking, I believe Mansfield put together a fracking certificate program, maybe even a major. It was quickly overrun by PSU which the employers bought into.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
In higher ed, stackable credentials are what I mentioned. I think it spells an end for the MBA in the long run. If distance ed is the teaching format, they can market that throughout eastern PA. If classroom learning is the primary format, it will have to be extra sensitive to the local market. There's an interesting book on this stuff, "There Is Life After College" about the future of work and the disconnect between traditional degree programs and the changing needs of the workforce. I don't know exactly what that would look like. 5-10 years ago I would have said something with oil & gas but they've largely cut & run (maybe drilled & run) from the region.
As for fracking, I believe Mansfield put together a fracking certificate program, maybe even a major. It was quickly overrun by PSU which the employers bought into.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI think the stackable credentials/more adult education/workforce development is a good idea. I would go big-time, make it a program across all 14 schools i.e. statewide, and develop a formal relationship with the Department of Labor.
It's a competitive market (just like the online deal is for the west schools). If they can cut costs while developing new sources of revenue that will help.
If you're talking programs like FS82 mentioned (data analytics, project management) you also have to consider that Bloom-Lock Haven-Mansfield is located amidst a rural economy. How much local demand is there for these offerings?
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
We already have the party reputation, so we don't need certificates on karaoke. Harvard has some interesting certificates: https://www.extension.harvard.edu/ac...e-certificates
It seems they take anyone with a degree, so why would someone go to Mansfield for a certificate. Harvard can sell these pieces of paper because the dupes want to say they went to Harvard. Harvard on the resume may get you somewhere.
It's a competitive market (just like the online deal is for the west schools). If they can cut costs while developing new sources of revenue that will help.
If you're talking programs like FS82 mentioned (data analytics, project management) you also have to consider that Bloom-Lock Haven-Mansfield is located amidst a rural economy. How much local demand is there for these offerings?
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
I wonder how many certificates a student could get in 4 or 5 years to stay eligible for athletic competition? Do you need a degree to get a certificate?
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