It will be interesting to see how the staffing plays out for managers. They've said that most will happen through attrition. But, what do you do when you have 3 VP's of something and go down to 1? I can't see them just continuing to pay a couple large salaries.
So far it seems a lot of people are retiring or declaring their intent to retire.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostSpent some time with some PSAC coaches and athletic staff over the weekend. They confirmed that sports shouldn't be affected because of the net tuition revenue. Operational costs are being trimmed and there will be ratios of roster spots per FT assistant. Financial aid shouldn't be affected too much since endowed funds are all housed in separate foundations. I do wonder if they'll create a fourth foundation for neutral triad endowments. They will be combining policies and I imagine funding strategies. Cal is the outlier on athletic funds but they also don't have a D1 "play up" sport like Clarion & Edinboro. I assume somebody will have influence on fundraising & funding, especially use of unrestricted athletics revenue.
We may also see some triad-wide sponsorships. Maybe Ms. Shapira can ask her husband's family to step up and have Giant Eagle & GetGo be major sponsors of the Western Triad. I do know that the Clarion staffer overseeing athletic fundraising is going to coordinate for all three schools. Just this morning, the western triad president shared that she will appoint a person to be "campus administrator" in her place when she's not physically on campus. I think for a lot of functions there will still be on paper one department but staffing will be in different locations. So the VP of Student Affairs might be located at Clarion but he/she oversees Student Affairs offices & programs at all three schools. One Director of Student Conduct housed at one campus and two assistant directors each at the other campuses. I guess that saves a bit but also not great.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostSpent some time with some PSAC coaches and athletic staff over the weekend. They confirmed that sports shouldn't be affected because of the net tuition revenue. Operational costs are being trimmed and there will be ratios of roster spots per FT assistant. Financial aid shouldn't be affected too much since endowed funds are all housed in separate foundations. I do wonder if they'll create a fourth foundation for neutral triad endowments. They will be combining policies and I imagine funding strategies. Cal is the outlier on athletic funds but they also don't have a D1 "play up" sport like Clarion & Edinboro. I assume somebody will have influence on fundraising & funding, especially use of unrestricted athletics revenue.
We may also see some triad-wide sponsorships. Maybe Ms. Shapira can ask her husband's family to step up and have Giant Eagle & GetGo be major sponsors of the Western Triad. I do know that the Clarion staffer overseeing athletic fundraising is going to coordinate for all three schools. Just this morning, the western triad president shared that she will appoint a person to be "campus administrator" in her place when she's not physically on campus. I think for a lot of functions there will still be on paper one department but staffing will be in different locations. So the VP of Student Affairs might be located at Clarion but he/she oversees Student Affairs offices & programs at all three schools. One Director of Student Conduct housed at one campus and two assistant directors each at the other campuses. I guess that saves a bit but also not great.
The idea is unification of administration and academics but to maintain separate athletics so I think sponsoring "all 3 schools in the Western Triad" is weird and doesn't work.
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Spent some time with some PSAC coaches and athletic staff over the weekend. They confirmed that sports shouldn't be affected because of the net tuition revenue. Operational costs are being trimmed and there will be ratios of roster spots per FT assistant. Financial aid shouldn't be affected too much since endowed funds are all housed in separate foundations. I do wonder if they'll create a fourth foundation for neutral triad endowments. They will be combining policies and I imagine funding strategies. Cal is the outlier on athletic funds but they also don't have a D1 "play up" sport like Clarion & Edinboro. I assume somebody will have influence on fundraising & funding, especially use of unrestricted athletics revenue.
We may also see some triad-wide sponsorships. Maybe Ms. Shapira can ask her husband's family to step up and have Giant Eagle & GetGo be major sponsors of the Western Triad. I do know that the Clarion staffer overseeing athletic fundraising is going to coordinate for all three schools. Just this morning, the western triad president shared that she will appoint a person to be "campus administrator" in her place when she's not physically on campus. I think for a lot of functions there will still be on paper one department but staffing will be in different locations. So the VP of Student Affairs might be located at Clarion but he/she oversees Student Affairs offices & programs at all three schools. One Director of Student Conduct housed at one campus and two assistant directors each at the other campuses. I guess that saves a bit but also not great.
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I'm not too worried about schools losing sports. I think that you'll likely see the structures of the schools change slightly to work with the NCAA. Like maybe there are 3 separate financial aid depts instead of 1 combined. Stuff like that that can show separation.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
Not too much new info there. Putting it in the context of D2 might have some significance. You would think having the weight of the largest conference in D2 behind it means something.
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Originally posted by Bart View PostSteve Murray "Integrated institutions under one executive leadership team but with separate campuses and athletic programs is not unique in the NCAA, however it is a new model for Division II to consider."
https://www.caltimes.org/8378/sports...r-integration/
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Steve Murray "Integrated institutions under one executive leadership team but with separate campuses and athletic programs is not unique in the NCAA, however it is a new model for Division II to consider."
https://www.caltimes.org/8378/sports...r-integration/
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
Yep. And this extra money that the state is giving...some of it is going to go towards erasing these deficits...and possibly pay off housing debt, etc.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
I have a pretty good idea which school is going to take an enrollment nosedive. Piss poor performance on recruiting students is how they got there and continue to do poorly. Its like the Pirates firing their club president and expecting different on-field results.
Ironically, these schools *can't* go bankrupt. They're extensions of the commonwealth. Cheyney operated at negative reserves for years and nothing happened. Its about how much the state is willing to watch them lose. For example, most PA state parks operate at a significant loss. For some the only revenue stream is camping sites that are cheap - like $15/night. Sizerville State Park has a pool that doesn't charge admission. That's a total loss right there. But every park has salaried rangers and support staff plus operational costs that far surpass what revenue comes in. They don't get closed and sold off.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful
Yes. 2 schools in the West supposedly have negative reserves. I've heard a strong rumor that one of the schools in the Integration could be losing upwards of 20% enrollment for the coming year.
Schools were on the verge of going bankrupt. Thus, why they acted this quickly.
The question just becomes if this works to fix it.
Ironically, these schools *can't* go bankrupt. They're extensions of the commonwealth. Cheyney operated at negative reserves for years and nothing happened. Its about how much the state is willing to watch them lose. For example, most PA state parks operate at a significant loss. For some the only revenue stream is camping sites that are cheap - like $15/night. Sizerville State Park has a pool that doesn't charge admission. That's a total loss right there. But every park has salaried rangers and support staff plus operational costs that far surpass what revenue comes in. They don't get closed and sold off.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
It's amazing UMES is still open.
Side note, their 'D1' basketball program has lost 2 or 3 straight games to neighbor (D3) Salisbury University.
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Originally posted by ctrabs74 View Post
Except that Thomas Jefferson, if I'm not mistaken, didn't have athletics when they were integrated into Philadelphia University.
Also, don't forget about the LIU-Brooklyn/LIU-Post merger, which saw the D2 programs at Post merged into the D1 programs at Brooklyn. The UT-RGV merger saw the UT-Brownsville and UT-Pan American (Edinburg) campuses merged into a single entity, but both programs were D1 non-football and the RGV sports teams rebranded into their present identity.
As I noted in this thread a few weeks ago, Northern Vermont University (D3) was created following a merger of Johnson State College and Lyndon State College, but both campuses retained their separate athletic programs.
I have a gut feeling we won't get an immediate answer from the NCAA given how few answers we've been given by the powers that be in Harrisburg. If the PASSHE scheme is similar to NVU or SIU, then all six programs will likely be retained. If it's more along the lines of Georgia Southern/Armstrong State, then I'd expect to see a lot of lobbying from the six campuses and a lot of bitter fights to determine where the two merged programs will ultimately end up.
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Originally posted by ctrabs74 View Post
SIU Carbondale football competes in the FCS Missouri Valley Football Conference and is a full member of the MVC in other sports; SIU Edwardsville (which was a D2 program until 2008) doesn't sponsor football and competes in the Ohio Valley Conference.
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Originally posted by ctrabs74 View Post
UMd Eastern Shore was the HBCU of what is now the University System of Maryland (UMd College Park was segregated until 1951, when the first Black students were admitted); UMBC was opened as a branch campus of College Park in the 1960s. Those three schools weren't created via merger (though UMES was created as a privately operated HBCU before the State of Maryland acquired it in the 1930s).
Side note, their 'D1' basketball program has lost 2 or 3 straight games to neighbor (D3) Salisbury University.
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