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So the Unions and opposition had 2 students speak about how the Integration is confusing and they have no clue what's going on.
The PASSHE had a student from Lock Haven speak about how she loves being on campus and how great the Integration will be.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
He's selling it as "well, we can't do nothing so here's our only option" when the folks in the back are screaming "its the appropriation, stupid!". Saying it needs more money sounds an awful lot like throwing money at it is the solution, but it kind of is. There can be strings attached to more money. Greenstein can (should) admit that the system needs better oversight.
Well normally I don't favor throwing money at a problem. But, literally this problem was created by the state budget process.
What I don't like is how some of these Presidents and speakers from PASSHE talk about how the Triads won't just survive, but thrive and grow. Like you pointed out earlier...grow may be 1% max. They act like it will grow A LOT.
I think that's unrealistic. In the West you have 2 schools out or close to out of money and 1 school that I'd say is barely breaking even. To expect some type of juggernaut to emerge within a year or 2...probably not realistic. The NE is similar.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I kinda liked my previous Guinness Book reference but that is the peril of making judgments based on hearsay rather than actual reading. Brewster is correct. I said promote the state appropriation issue back when everybody was saying Armenti was right with his privatization plan.
Brewster emerges as a voice of reason. Let's face it, Greenstein's plan isn't working.
But, Brewster was pretty critical of the plan overall and wants to pump the brakes for 24 moths. Seems reasonable. I thought he did a good job overall in his time with what he said. I think it was him that said he was disturbed by how fast it was moving too without approval. Like it was insulting...like they know it is already approved. May have been someone else though.
I'd say overall he came off as pretty down to earth and I liked his comments.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I kinda liked my previous Guinness Book reference but that is the peril of making judgments based on hearsay rather than actual reading. Brewster is correct. I said promote the state appropriation issue back when everybody was saying Armenti was right with his privatization plan.
Brewster emerges as a voice of reason. Let's face it, Greenstein's plan isn't working.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
Brewster emerges as a voice of reason. Let's face it, Greenstein's plan isn't working.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Not to mention that the western merger spans two area codes. With Cal designated as the hub campus, will 2/3 of the students living in the 814 area code be calling 724 numbers? Most higher ed information systems & saas licenses use pricing based on enrollment. So its possible that a new larger university will actually be paying more for essential software than the three smaller schools if the enrollment puts them in a new pricing level. Granted, the pricing difference could only be $50k a year but that's still the net revenue of 3 students in a plan where enrollment is going to be mostly flat at best. Above all, the numbers on these plans have such tight margins that neither plan can afford to sustain enrollment decreases. Best case scenario in the western plan is a 1% increase over 5 years. That's not even 150 new students.
The enrollment to me is tricky. Because you're getting rid of programs at schools in the Triad and at other PASSHE schools. You're getting a ton of bad press in the process. The name will change. Maybe email addresses, etc. I'm sure atleast some volume of students will transfer because of this. Hopefully not a lot. Then, you have different modalities. Like you get rid of employees and maybe you have to do more hybrid and online classes. Over the pandemic, we were told that a certain percentage of students don't like online classes...and we needed in person to open.
But, then you are offering some programs at schools that are new and in different modalities...so you might pick up some students there that couldn't take classes there.
And, online education isn't new. Can you actually grow online now? It seems like it's a little late to enter that game with a new brand.
Will employees understand this enough to be able to articulate and answer student questions and objections? That's essential in recruiting.
Plus, we know that other schools are using this info to recruit against the triads.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
Great points. So people act like this Implementation Plan is directions on how to build this thing. It's really a high level business case.
I think more time is needed to think of how all the parts fit together to do day-to-day operations. There are also some major projects. Converting 3 schools to 1 student info system and all the supporting systems. Will the domain and email addresses change to 1? If so, that's several large projects. How will day-to-day business work? Will there be 1 Admissions dept or 3? How will students contact them? Will there be 1 number or 3? How will that be routed? I could name hundreds of other items that are up in the air and need worked out. But, if this gets implemented, they're going to have to figure a lot of this out on the fly.
Oh...and during this all, some schools will be laying off hundreds of people from the Sustainability plans!
I just don't see how this can all come together in the next year and have a seamless/quality product. And for students to start in the Fall, a lot of this stuff has to happen quicker.
I think the likely outcome of rushing it is that there will be a lot of confusion and parts that don't work that great that need worked through. And maybe they can be worked through. Maybe some workarounds in place.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
That's not the goal. If you read the plans, the math doesn't line up or justify the drastic measures. It doesn't make much sense to spend $30M to save $26M. Plus there are valid concerns that the rushed timeline could result in further damage. There has been NO research into how the future student population will react to the new setup, which is radically different from anything else out there. There's only been research done on names, which isn't as big because our schools don't have enough cache to matter.
I think more time is needed to think of how all the parts fit together to do day-to-day operations. There are also some major projects. Converting 3 schools to 1 student info system and all the supporting systems. Will the domain and email addresses change to 1? If so, that's several large projects. How will day-to-day business work? Will there be 1 Admissions dept or 3? How will students contact them? Will there be 1 number or 3? How will that be routed? I could name hundreds of other items that are up in the air and need worked out. But, if this gets implemented, they're going to have to figure a lot of this out on the fly.
Oh...and during this all, some schools will be laying off hundreds of people from the Sustainability plans!
I just don't see how this can all come together in the next year and have a seamless/quality product. And for students to start in the Fall, a lot of this stuff has to happen quicker.
I think the likely outcome of rushing it is that there will be a lot of confusion and parts that don't work that great that need worked through. And maybe they can be worked through. Maybe some workarounds in place.
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Originally posted by ironmaniup View Post
It may well be a way to get just enough support from the rural republican legislators to up the state allocation of money to PASSHE, at least for a few years. The plans are not well thought out, they are an ultimatum. Either pay for the passhe schools or lose them. The merger proposal was a good way to get everyones attention. Pausing the merger will also allow the schools to resize their staff. the downside is that the resizing is different for merged vs not merged schools. but the schools will be much happier going through staff cuts individually.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
That's not the goal. If you read the plans, the math doesn't line up or justify the drastic measures. It doesn't make much sense to spend $30M to save $26M. Plus there are valid concerns that the rushed timeline could result in further damage. There has been NO research into how the future student population will react to the new setup, which is radically different from anything else out there. There's only been research done on names, which isn't as big because our schools don't have enough cache to matter.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post
Kicking the can again...Last edited by Fightingscot82; 05-18-2021, 06:36 AM.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
It was State Senator Jim Brewster (Allegheny County) who suggested that Cheyney's "turnaround" could serve as a blueprint for other schools in the system. He should be contacting the Guinness Book of World Records because he might hold the record for being the most out of touch human being.
Pretty sure West Chester helps them administratively too.
I wonder if the money used to fund this integration was used to pay down debt and let schools implement the sustainability plans...how this would turn out.
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