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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Question wasn't who would willingly take a PASSHE school, question was if you could merge a PASSHE with any school in the state, who would it be and why.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
But that's not what endowments are. An endowment isn't reserves.
I also think you underestimate the political power of Penn State with the legislature. 23 physical campuses plus "cooperative extension" presences in every one of PA's counties to do agricultural support. Plus additional outreach centers. Penn State operates a lobbying office in Pittsburgh - I imagine they have others in other cities. All that before legislators get their hands on football tickets.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
I note there is not much "gain" for any school merged with the PASSHE schools. I was answering a hypothetical question.
Didn't say the gain was for PS or Temple. Both schools endowments FAR exceed any of the remaining endowments for any PASSHE school so they would be better able to absorb the losses being incurred by the PASSHE schools they inherit. Once the schools were absorbed by PS and Temple, the two universities would determine the best course of action to either stabalize/grow them as quasi independent colleges or merge them within their current branch campus system.
The state has a hook into PS and Temple, that hook is state funding. Tell both that they either take the six schools, or they lose their state funding.
I also think you underestimate the political power of Penn State with the legislature. 23 physical campuses plus "cooperative extension" presences in every one of PA's counties to do agricultural support. Plus additional outreach centers. Penn State operates a lobbying office in Pittsburgh - I imagine they have others in other cities. All that before legislators get their hands on football tickets.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
I don't see any gain for Temple in that scenario. They're nowhere near the levels of Pitt and Penn State in terms of financial strength nor are they into the whole branch campus thing. I also don't see a gain for Penn State. Edinboro is 30 miles from one of the only two Penn State outlet stores that are doing well and in the same county. Cal is very close to Penn State Fayette. But Clarion is fairly isolated from other schools. They're about 30 minutes from Penn State DuBois but there's no real benefit there.
Didn't say the gain was for PS or Temple. Both schools endowments FAR exceed any of the remaining endowments for any PASSHE school so they would be better able to absorb the losses being incurred by the PASSHE schools they inherit. Once the schools were absorbed by PS and Temple, the two universities would determine the best course of action to either stabalize/grow them as quasi independent colleges or merge them within their current branch campus system.
The state has a hook into PS and Temple, that hook is state funding. Tell both that they either take the six schools, or they lose their state funding.
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I do think the state should tell Pitt and Penn State that state dollars can no longer support 4 year residential experiences at their branches. I don't know how they do that but its gotta happen. Can't help fund something that directly competes with something you own.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
The Cal/Boro/Clarion triumvirate with Penn State or the Bloom/Mansfield/Haven consolidation with Temple. Reason - Financial solvency of the remaining 8 schools in the PASSHE and force the burden of the failing schools on state funded schools with deeper pockets.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View PostSo hypothetically, say you could merge a passhe school of your choice with any school in PA. Which pair would you make and why?
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View PostSo hypothetically, say you could merge a passhe school of your choice with any school in PA. Which pair would you make and why?
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So hypothetically, say you could merge a passhe school of your choice with any school in PA. Which pair would you make and why?
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View PostThis article shows PASSHE enrollment 2010 compared to 2019. But, it also shows Penn State enrollment. Most of their branch campuses have lost similar enrollment levels to PASSHE numbers:
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View PostThis article shows PASSHE enrollment 2010 compared to 2019. But, it also shows Penn State enrollment. Most of their branch campuses have lost similar enrollment levels to PASSHE numbers:
There are some truly all-star students who attend these schools because of geography or cost or whatever, but most are just extra PASSHE students. And that extra few thousand Penn State charges each year adds up - and thus their retention and graduation rates are just as bad if not worse. They run out of money a little faster and leave with a lot of debt and no degree.
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This article shows PASSHE enrollment 2010 compared to 2019. But, it also shows Penn State enrollment. Most of their branch campuses have lost similar enrollment levels to PASSHE numbers:
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