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['89HOG]

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Incarnate Word and ACU moved to D1 because it's a multiple of panache and prestige and they could afford it. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone left behind is either glad for them or jealous. Neither is coming back.

I haven't been to either campus, but I'll bet a $10 bill that they let every prospective student/athlete know that they are in D1 and play the big dogs in all sports. D1 is a big deal.

I'm guessing much of the student base at ACU could care about sports. I know of two young ladies from our church that attended ACU. Both were in the top 5 of their graduating HS class (of about 700+). When they'd come back home to visit, I'd ask them about their college experience and neither ever made it to any sporting event. They said most students don't attend sporting events. "That's for alumni" is what they always said. Maybe it was just them.

[Herb Street]

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I'm guessing much of the student base at ACU could care about sports. I know of two young ladies from our church that attended ACU. Both were in the top 5 of their graduating HS class (of about 700+). When they'd come back home to visit, I'd ask them about their college experience and neither ever made it to any sporting event. They said most students don't attend sporting events. "That's for alumni" is what they always said. Maybe it was just them.

How much less do you guess that they could care?

[AmaKnight]

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How many nattys did he win again? ;)

You must have misread .. Blueprint to win the LSC not they natty the Carthels since 05 have won more than half of the LSC titles 7 out of 13 .. not counting a LSC South win and a natty.

[AmaKnight]

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Ah ok..... His large staff had issues. Or am I reading too much into this?????
http://www.amarillo.com/sports/wt-sp...aa-punishes-wt

He Still got to keep the W's .. I said it was the blueprint to win the LSC not the perfect blueprint LOL

[Techster88]

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[LSC Fan]

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Incarnate Word and ACU moved to D1 because it's a multiple of panache and prestige and they could afford it. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone left behind is either glad for them or jealous. Neither is coming back.

I haven't been to either campus, but I'll bet a $10 bill that they let every prospective student that they are in D1 and play the big dogs in all sports. D1 is a big deal.

That might work for ACU, but whomever was in charge of planning a move to the big boy leagues at UIW screwed up. It was horrible timing football wise to move up at almost the same time UTSA began to establish football program on their own who actually plays against big boy schools and is competitive. UIW is just like UNT in the Metroplex where most of the population doesn't even have a clue UNT has a football program since TCU, High School football, and the Cowboys suck all the oxygen out of the sports coverage up there in Fall. Plus UIW has athletic facilities that maybe a class 4A or lower athletic program would be proud of. No where even close to the awe that a Mary Hardin Baylor offers for example or ACU for that matter.

[LSC Fan]

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He Still got to keep the W's .. I said it was the blueprint to win the LSC not the perfect blueprint LOL

It was like the Mike Leach/Tech model. Build a program that can get you good record year in and year out. But once they faced a team who could match them blow for blow, they would fold like a cheap tent and out would come the yellow flags. At least with Tech/Leach it didn't get to that point and they took the annual beatings from OU Sucks and UT with grace and acceptance. WTAM didn't earn their rep as an outlaw program during that time for being choir boys.

[BuffTough]

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This popped up in my Google feed yesterday. Interesting read.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/c...erinary-school

[Techster88]

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This popped up in my Google feed yesterday. Interesting read.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/c...erinary-school

Another fine example of how A&M BOR believe the world rotates around College Station. There must be a culture that only A&M can do it the correct way. This could have been a win win for A&M when they first caught wind of this by establishing a long overdue vet school at WT. But, history has shown how A&M does things. Example, A&M Prez at the time in the early 1900's wanted Tarleton to be part of the system. No way was AGGIE going for this and only until it was learned that the State was going to appropriate funds for a new college to be established in Sweetwater called West Texas A&M did they relent to take on TSU in order to squelch another named A&M school. Another fine example is UT Arlington. A school that now has an enrollment of over 40,000. A&M's continued negligence of this school led them to get the state involved in order for them to change allegiance to Texas. Now, once again they are h3ll bent to keep their monopoly in CS. Tech is playing with house money and has nothing to lose and everything to gain. A&M has the tools, resources and political clout and everything to lose. I don't see this ending well for haughty prideful Aggies.

[LSC Fan]

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Another fine example of how A&M BOR believe the world rotates around College Station. There must be a culture that only A&M can do it the correct way. This could have been a win win for A&M when they first caught wind of this by establishing a long overdue vet school at WT. But, history has shown how A&M does things. Example, A&M Prez at the time in the early 1900's wanted Tarleton to be part of the system. No way was AGGIE going for this and only until it was learned that the State was going to appropriate funds for a new college to be established in Sweetwater called West Texas A&M did they relent to take on TSU in order to squelch another named A&M school. Another fine example is UT Arlington. A school that now has an enrollment of over 40,000. A&M's continued negligence of this school led them to get the state involved in order for them to change allegiance to Texas. Now, once again they are h3ll bent to keep their monopoly in CS. Tech is playing with house money and has nothing to lose and everything to gain. A&M has the tools, resources and political clout and everything to lose. I don't see this ending well for haughty prideful Aggies.

A lot of truth in this. I tend to believe A&M never wanted to become a system like enterprise and bring on Kingsville, Commerce, Canyon, Corpus Christi and Laredo. They were content to having Tarleton and Galveston and treated Galveston like a branch of itself. No one outside Stephenville and probably a number of people in that town probably never had a clue they were part of the A&M system until someone told them. They brought us all in only under legislative threat in the late 80's and early 90's. One thing it did help them was to show a significant increase in minority enrollment in their system, which kept the Feds out of their business just in time when Clinton became President and the Dept of Education started shamming schools for stagnant or low enrollments of Hispanics in particular. Then the name changes REALLY pissed the then current Aggy guard off as well as the old guard. Recall they had no friends at the time in the Governors Mansion. Ma Richards was a Baylor Grad and was pissed at Aggy and UT for that matter for not being particularly on board with Baylor potentially joining Aggy, Tech and UT in a new conference. Other members of the Legislature didn't have much love for Aggy either. Lt Gov Bullock was a Tech undergrad and Baylor Law Grad, so you can guess where he fell on some of these issues. He also wanted to consolidate and solidify his power base with the minority Senators who were all on board for the name change for the South Texas schools, despite very vocal opposition from those of us who were attending the schools back then as well as the alumni.

It took Aggy a number of years and several turnovers in the BOR's and the Chancellor's office to accept it and try to make the best of it. And I think most of the schools only began to see the fruits of this effort only in the last 10 years or so, especially the older schools like Kingsville, Commerce and Canyon. Corpus and Laredo got a lot of attention in part to MALDEF settlements during the 90's that the Aggy's like to take credit for, but a lot of the building that went on on those campuses was part of the legislative settlement and not one penny from the PUF. They both were also transitioning from two year upper level school that used to feed off the local JUCO's, so that helped their building boom too.

UT has always been more responsible to their schools under their system. They listen to their system schools and furthermore, understand the areas they serve and adjust their mission accordingly. It still ticks me off to some extent they have made it hard for other schools to open law schools. No matter your view of Lawyers and I have issues too and my Dad was a Lawyer and UT Law Grad, a state the size of Texas should have more than three public law schools (Cougar High, Tech and UT). Their should at least be two more options with one serving the southern part of the state and the other the DFW area since Tech has the Panhandle, far west Texas and the Permian Basin Covered.

I will say this, since John Sharp took over the Chancellor's office, he's been very proactive down in these parts and it helps that he has a connection to the area. He's probably one of the few Democrats I'd ever vote for again if he ever ran for state office again which I doubt. If he did, he'd probably run as a Republican if he wanted to win. He's not part of the Maxine Waters, ANTIFA, CNN wack jobs who now own and run the Democrat Party.

[texcap]

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A lot of truth in this. I tend to believe A&M never wanted to become a system like enterprise and bring on Kingsville, Commerce, Canyon, Corpus Christi and Laredo. They were content to having Tarleton and Galveston and treated Galveston like a branch of itself. No one outside Stephenville and probably a number of people in that town probably never had a clue they were part of the A&M system until someone told them. They brought us all in only under legislative threat in the late 80's and early 90's. One thing it did help them was to show a significant increase in minority enrollment in their system, which kept the Feds out of their business just in time when Clinton became President and the Dept of Education started shamming schools for stagnant or low enrollments of Hispanics in particular. Then the name changes REALLY pissed the then current Aggy guard off as well as the old guard. Recall they had no friends at the time in the Governors Mansion. Ma Richards was a Baylor Grad and was pissed at Aggy and UT for that matter for not being particularly on board with Baylor potentially joining Aggy, Tech and UT in a new conference. Other members of the Legislature didn't have much love for Aggy either. Lt Gov Bullock was a Tech undergrad and Baylor Law Grad, so you can guess where he fell on some of these issues. He also wanted to consolidate and solidify his power base with the minority Senators who were all on board for the name change for the South Texas schools, despite very vocal opposition from those of us who were attending the schools back then as well as the alumni.

It took Aggy a number of years and several turnovers in the BOR's and the Chancellor's office to accept it and try to make the best of it. And I think most of the schools only began to see the fruits of this effort only in the last 10 years or so, especially the older schools like Kingsville, Commerce and Canyon. Corpus and Laredo got a lot of attention in part to MALDEF settlements during the 90's that the Aggy's like to take credit for, but a lot of the building that went on on those campuses was part of the legislative settlement and not one penny from the PUF. They both were also transitioning from two year upper level school that used to feed off the local JUCO's, so that helped their building boom too.

UT has always been more responsible to their schools under their system. They listen to their system schools and furthermore, understand the areas they serve and adjust their mission accordingly. It still ticks me off to some extent they have made it hard for other schools to open law schools. No matter your view of Lawyers and I have issues too and my Dad was a Lawyer and UT Law Grad, a state the size of Texas should have more than three public law schools (Cougar High, Tech and UT). Their should at least be two more options with one serving the southern part of the state and the other the DFW area since Tech has the Panhandle, far west Texas and the Permian Basin Covered.

I will say this, since John Sharp took over the Chancellor's office, he's been very proactive down in these parts and it helps that he has a connection to the area. He's probably one of the few Democrats I'd ever vote for again if he ever ran for state office again which I doubt. If he did, he'd probably run as a Republican if he wanted to win. He's not part of the Maxine Waters, ANTIFA, CNN wack jobs who now own and run the Democrat Party.

You should be happy then, because there are three more state law schools:

1. Texas A&M has one in Ft. Worth (they bought the old Texas Wesleyan Law School in downtown Ft. Worth).
2. UNT-Dallas (a separate school from UNT in Denton) opened one in downtown Dallas in 2014. I do not think they have become fully accredited by the ABA yet because they are so new.
3. Texas Southern has the Thurgood Marshall School of Law in Houston.

While the first two are pretty new, Texas Southern's has been around for a while.

[Herb Street]

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The Texas Panhandle rarely sits in the proverbial catbird seat, but it does in this scenario: Texas Tech has a $90 war chest to build a vet school, two thirds of which is provided by a gift from Amarillo's Economic Development group. Nice move on their part. I think the only way the Tech school gets blocked is if A&M pledges the establishment of its own vet school at West Texas A&M. But they will have to flash Texas Tech-like bucks or they won't block the Tech deal. The question is, will the Amarillo group provide the $69 million incentive to A&M, just as they would have to Tech?

Interesting times up there. Either way, there will be a new vet school in the Texas Panhandle. And there should have been a long time ago: It is the beef capitol of the world, and now the dairy capitol of the state.

[LSC Fan]

[texcap]

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UNT-Dallas is trying a new model for a law school. They are trying to educate lawyers to become, "public servants," or something like that. They have provisional accreditation but I think they were original denied accreditation but barked loud enough to get provisional while they addressed the ABA's concerns.

They are also trying to do it with cheap (for law school) tuition of $15,000 per year. One of the ways they are doing it is that the faculty focus entirely on teaching and no on research and teaching.

It's a big experiment that I would like to see work, but only time will tell.

[GoBuffsGo]

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A lot of truth in this. I tend to believe A&M never wanted to become a system like enterprise and bring on Kingsville, Commerce, Canyon, Corpus Christi and Laredo. They were content to having Tarleton and Galveston and treated Galveston like a branch of itself. No one outside Stephenville and probably a number of people in that town probably never had a clue they were part of the A&M system until someone told them. They brought us all in only under legislative threat in the late 80's and early 90's. One thing it did help them was to show a significant increase in minority enrollment in their system, which kept the Feds out of their business just in time when Clinton became President and the Dept of Education started shamming schools for stagnant or low enrollments of Hispanics in particular. Then the name changes REALLY pissed the then current Aggy guard off as well as the old guard. Recall they had no friends at the time in the Governors Mansion. Ma Richards was a Baylor Grad and was pissed at Aggy and UT for that matter for not being particularly on board with Baylor potentially joining Aggy, Tech and UT in a new conference. Other members of the Legislature didn't have much love for Aggy either. Lt Gov Bullock was a Tech undergrad and Baylor Law Grad, so you can guess where he fell on some of these issues. He also wanted to consolidate and solidify his power base with the minority Senators who were all on board for the name change for the South Texas schools, despite very vocal opposition from those of us who were attending the schools back then as well as the alumni.

It took Aggy a number of years and several turnovers in the BOR's and the Chancellor's office to accept it and try to make the best of it. And I think most of the schools only began to see the fruits of this effort only in the last 10 years or so, especially the older schools like Kingsville, Commerce and Canyon. Corpus and Laredo got a lot of attention in part to MALDEF settlements during the 90's that the Aggy's like to take credit for, but a lot of the building that went on on those campuses was part of the legislative settlement and not one penny from the PUF. They both were also transitioning from two year upper level school that used to feed off the local JUCO's, so that helped their building boom too.

UT has always been more responsible to their schools under their system. They listen to their system schools and furthermore, understand the areas they serve and adjust their mission accordingly. It still ticks me off to some extent they have made it hard for other schools to open law schools. No matter your view of Lawyers and I have issues too and my Dad was a Lawyer and UT Law Grad, a state the size of Texas should have more than three public law schools (Cougar High, Tech and UT). Their should at least be two more options with one serving the southern part of the state and the other the DFW area since Tech has the Panhandle, far west Texas and the Permian Basin Covered.

I will say this, since John Sharp took over the Chancellor's office, he's been very proactive down in these parts and it helps that he has a connection to the area. He's probably one of the few Democrats I'd ever vote for again if he ever ran for state office again which I doubt. If he did, he'd probably run as a Republican if he wanted to win. He's not part of the Maxine Waters, ANTIFA, CNN wack jobs who now own and run the Democrat Party.

I was told by a long-time member of the West Texas State University Board of Regents that A&M's interest in WT was enhanced by their desire to use WT as a way to increase their Hispanic enrollment. I'm sure that also applied to other schools in heavily populated Hispanic areas.