WT Football

[ASUPops]

It's 26 today + 2 RSF. It might be different tomorrow. https://angelosports.com/sports/foot...ter?sort=class

RS & RSF two different things.

Angelo signed 27 freshman on national signing day. Looks like 26 made the roster.

This is about the same # they sign every year as far back as I can remember.

[WT_TKW]

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https://angelosports.com/sports/football/roster

Yup, then sh!t on the other 48 kids that were not "excellent".

It's 26 today + 2 RSF. It might be different tomorrow. https://angelosports.com/sports/foot...ter?sort=class

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

That's TERRIBLE!!!! Wendler needs to go!!!!

If Wendler were to "go" it would have been when he faced intense heat over the drag show, no confidence vote by the faculty, and basically turning away certain types of freshman students.

It also shows where WT ranks on the food chain of A&M university schools that there is "chaos" but ....eh.....

Let's hope Lynn has success sooner than later.

[ASUPops]

I counted 36 yesterday on the ASU website (roster). None of them were redshirt freshmen.

I have no idea how many is "normal" for an LSC team. I thought 58 was high for WT but it's a new regime and so he's hoping for some good surprises. Carthel found some excellent players that way.

I expected Angelo to have way fewer freshman based on their recent successes.

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https://angelosports.com/sports/football/roster

Yup, then sh!t on the other 48 kids that were not "excellent".

[ASUPops]

Pops, behind the scenes at WT: the athletic department is being told (by the administration) to recruit big classes. Why? Enrollment and the profit motive. WT gives out 134 full rides. Football has 154 kids enrolled. Track and field has 110. Every kid above the 134 mark brings $22,000 a year to WT (if they live on campus and eat at the dining halls). This does not count the enrollment that comes from the cheer squad, athletic training, marching band, or other auxiliary students (like audio-visual-communications). Unfortunately, WT gets little back in return from the profits they engender. Whether from enrollment, ticket sales, concessions, etc., WT athletics is continually penalized by the chief financial officer and other bureaucratic bums who feitcely protect their little fiefdoms. With athletics under the current administration it's "bring us students and cut expenses."

It's a cancer that can only be changed with a strong President who supports athletics.

That's TERRIBLE!!!! Wendler needs to go!!!!

[WT_TKW]

Angelo signed 27 Freshman. Where do you see 40?

I saw a report yesterday that stated 47%-68% retention rate. Not sure how accurate those #'s are.

IMO. Signing a big freshman class is playing the odds. Maybe you will get a few good ones and cut the bad. Back in Carthel's time that worked (His M.O.) because it was hard for a player to transfer. But now, I am concerned that the few good players will jump ship via portal, and then what are you left with?

Same can happen if you sign 25. BUT, with a lower #, the philosophy is the GOOD players feel wanted and that can build loyalty.

I never have liked big freshman signing classes. I thinks it's more of an ego thing for the HC.

If what you say is true and Angelo signed 40 incoming freshman, I would be concerned, becausecthst goes agsinst the nationally recognized program Girsch built.

I counted 36 yesterday on the ASU website (roster). None of them were redshirt freshmen.

I have no idea how many is "normal" for an LSC team. I thought 58 was high for WT but it's a new regime and so he's hoping for some good surprises. Carthel found some excellent players that way.

I expected Angelo to have way fewer freshman based on their recent successes.

[BuffaloChip]

Angelo signed 27 Freshman. Where do you see 40?

I saw a report yesterday that stated 47%-68% retention rate. Not sure how accurate those #'s are.

IMO. Signing a big freshman class is playing the odds. Maybe you will get a few good ones and cut the bad. Back in Csrthels time that worked (His M.O.) because it was hard for a player to transfer. But now, I am concerned that the few good players will jump ship via portal, and then what are you left with?

Same can happen if you sign 25. BUT, with a lower #, the philosophy is the GOOD players feel wanted and that can build loyalty.
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I never have liked big freshman signing classes. I thinks it's more of an ego thing for the HC.

If what you say is true and Angelo signed 40 incoming freshman, I would be concerned, becausecthst goes agsinst the nationally recognized program Girsch built.

Pops, behind the scenes at WT: the athletic department is being told (by the administration) to recruit big classes. Why? Enrollment and the profit motive. WT gives out 134 full rides. Football has 154 kids enrolled. Track and field has 110. Every kid above the 134 mark brings $22,000 a year to WT (if they live on campus and eat at the dining halls). This does not count the enrollment that comes from the cheer squad, athletic training, marching band, or other auxiliary students (like audio-visual-communications). Unfortunately, WT gets little back in return from the profits they engender. Whether from enrollment, ticket sales, concessions, etc., WT athletics is continually penalized by the chief financial officer and other bureaucratic bums who feitcely protect their little fiefdoms. With athletics under the current administration it's "bring us students and cut expenses."

It's a cancer that can only be changed with a strong President who supports athletics. I'm pretty confident of this info. My source is an ex-administrator who was well placed.

University politics might be more fierce than anything in the corporate field or real world politics. I can only imagine what it's like to work at the upper echelons in a university.

[Predatory Primates]

Rebuilds seem to have big rosters and big recruiting classes. Especially when the new coach brings a philosophy shift.

[ASUPops]

I don't really know. Retention rates for College Football is going to be way different moving forward because of the portal. I would think that signing a bunch of freshman is a solid strategy moving forward. If you don't and you have a bunch of kids hit the portal in December it could be really hard to run spring ball and have competition in your program. Maybe that's why Angelo has 40 of them. Maybe these coaches are evolving to the new environment.

Angelo signed 27 Freshman. Where do you see 40?

I saw a report yesterday that stated 47%-68% retention rate. Not sure how accurate those #'s are.

IMO. Signing a big freshman class is playing the odds. Maybe you will get a few good ones and cut the bad. Back in Csrthels time that worked (His M.O.) because it was hard for a player to transfer. But now, I am concerned that the few good players will jump ship via portal, and then what are you left with?

Same can happen if you sign 25. BUT, with a lower #, the philosophy is the GOOD players feel wanted and that can build loyalty.

I never have liked big freshman signing classes. I thinks it's more of an ego thing for the HC.

If what you say is true and Angelo signed 40 incoming freshman, I would be concerned, becausecthst goes agsinst the nationally recognized program Girsch built.

[Fred]

So how many of these 50+ freshman wil be retained, in your opinion?

I don't really know. Retention rates for College Football is going to be way different moving forward because of the portal. I would think that signing a bunch of freshman is a solid strategy moving forward. If you don't and you have a bunch of kids hit the portal in December it could be really hard to run spring ball and have competition in your program. Maybe that's why Angelo has 40 of them. Maybe these coaches are evolving to the new environment.

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

Yeah, and it still took the AD over a week to fire Hughes.

I wonder how he's doing trying to fill our open date this season? Maybe he'll have something by Thanksgiving.

Yeah the AD was looking for ANY reason to keep Hughes and that was comical I will give you that.

I give more of a pass not filling the last game of the year. Most of the open dates are schools far east of here and either side probably have no interest in playing a road game if either one had a playoff berth on the line.

[WT_TKW]

Who has 36 freshman?

You stated WT had 58 at last count.

ANGELO has 36 freshmen.

[ASUPops]

It depends on the size of the step.

Maybe Angelo passed on some of them. They only have 36 freshmen on the roster. How many of those will be there next year?

Who has 36 freshman?

You stated WT had 58 at last count.

[WT_TKW]

So they are just a step under top D1 prospects??

Or maybe Angelo, MSU-Texas, UTPB, TAMUK, ENMU, etc wouldn't either?

It depends on the size of the step.

Maybe Angelo passed on some of them. They only have 36 freshmen on the roster. How many of those will be there next year?

[ASUPops]

Maybe they are there just to play football. Odds are UT and Oklahoma wouldn't have them.

So they are just a step under top D1 prospects??

Or maybe Angelo, MSU-Texas, UTPB, TAMUK, ENMU, etc wouldn't either?