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[boatcapt]

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IUP is a tough job to walk away from at his age. Compensation-wise it has to be near the top of D2. He's a celebrity of sorts in a small town. He has everything in place to win 24 games a year. He's older now but still not that old. Some have said this was the logical time he may wrap it up (with Dante leaving). I think if he stays this off-season then he will go another 3-4 years .. make one more build-up.

They have enough coming back next year, plus two more scholarships to likely give to two transfers this off-season, that they should compete for the PSAC again next year. Unless the transfers are home runs, I don't think they'll have a roster to go further than that, however.

I would assume he is vested for a PA State retirement so really he's working for the Delta between his retirement pay and his actual salary. If he got a salary in a new location that either matched or was close to matching his current salary, he would in effect be giving himself a pay raise. I'm told that retirement from private universities kind of mirror an equivalent state employee (at least in FL). In my current position, as a former fed/state employee, I am vested for a portion of a FL State retirement after one year and get a "full" FL State retirement after 8 years.

When I was thinking about going back to work for the state of FL, I had to run the numbers about four times to convince myself what I was coming up with was actually correct. And after I started, I found a couple of former feds like me and asked if my numbers were right. They both grinned and said, "Kind of cool, ain't it!"

Add on top of that the lack of state/county/local income tax and it makes taking and early retirement, moving to FL and starting a second mini career almost a no brainer.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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IUP is a tough job to walk away from at his age. Compensation-wise it has to be near the top of D2. He's a celebrity of sorts in a small town. He has everything in place to win 24 games a year. He's older now but still not that old. Some have said this was the logical time he may wrap it up (with Dante leaving). I think if he stays this off-season then he will go another 3-4 years .. make one more build-up.

They have enough coming back next year, plus two more scholarships to likely give to two transfers this off-season, that they should compete for the PSAC again next year. Unless the transfers are home runs, I don't think they'll have a roster to go further than that, however.

[IUPTrackMan]

[boatcapt]

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No. He wouldn't leave for another job at this point. I was asking if anybody thought he'd retire. Many saw this as a possibility with Dante leaving.

I have no inside information. Was just curious what others thought.

Hahahaha...I remember someone asking a couple of years ago if Crutch would ever leave WLU. The answer was a resounding NO...unless a quality D1 made him an offer he just couldn't refuse.

How'd THAT work out for us self described "experts??!!"

As someone who said he would NEVER retire to Florida...When you get a couple of miles on you and it starts taking longer and longer to get the old body moving on a cold winter day, the warm weather and sunshine look pretty good when your watching the Weather Channel as you get ready to shovel the driveway!!! And you know what, it IS!!!!!!!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Wait, are you saying Bravado Joe coaching next year is in doubt? Maybe he could follow Crutch to the Sunshine State Conference. Rumor is that Palm Beach Atlantic might be in the market!

No. He wouldn't leave for another job at this point. I was asking if anybody thought he'd retire. Many saw this as a possibility with Dante leaving.

I have no inside information. Was just curious what others thought.

[hawks16]

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Even if its a fun rumor to talk about every spring, what are logical destinations? St. Francis made the NIT and play a 17-15 Indiana team in the first round, so their coach could be up for a promotion. St. Bonaventure's Mark Schmidt won an NCAA game last year and nearly made it back to the big dance starting four freshmen, so there's worry in Allegany, N.Y., he could finally be on the way out. Those are just two spots where Joe has roots. His salary in 2019, according to PennWatch, was $166,750 and Schmidt's at Bonas (which is based mostly on donations) is more than $800K, so the incentive to level-up is there. But how many programs are going to want to spice up their basketball program with an older coach who has won zero games at the Division 1 level?

[IUPTrackMan]

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In all honesty this is Division II. We tend to forget that often on here as we are a very small group on the basketball side. The VAST majority of people in that building yesterday had never heard of West Liberty. Or, perhaps, heard of them in passing. IUP doesn't exactly pack in knowledgeable basketball fans.

In my opinion, the fans you saw cheering for WL were probably enthralled with the pace, etc. Keep in mind they watch ugly PSAC West games year after year.

As somebody who sat through both games yesterday ... trust me ... the first game was WAY more exciting.

[EyeoftheHawk]

[boatcapt]

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Wait, are you saying Bravado Joe coaching next year is in doubt? Maybe he could follow Crutch to the Sunshine State Conference. Rumor is that Palm Beach Atlantic might be in the market!

[EyeoftheHawk]

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[boatcapt]

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Make no mistake. Match-up wise, IUP would likely pound WLU (and both fan bases know it). So, naturally, IUP fans wanted to see FSU and WLU (good match-ups for them) and WLU fans were scared pants-less at the thought of IUP, so it was natural for them to lean Mercy. I wouldn't interpret IUP fans cheering for WLU as "unselfish." VSU was likely a worse match-up for you. There was perhaps a bit of self-interestedness involved there. Just human nature to cheer for the best match-up for your own team in future rounds.

I'd hardly say "scared pants-less" of IUP. Healthy respect? Sure...but hardly scared. If I were a betting man (wink, wink), I'd call a WLU/IUP game a 50/50 affair. One thing for sure, it would have been very entertaining!

Now that said, of the two teams (Hurst and IUP), I think WLU would prefer to play Hurst. Remember, the goal is win the region and I think WLU's odds are better vs Hurst. So yea, I was rooting for Hurst...but not because I was scared pants-less of IUP!!!!

[boatcapt]

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My post was in agreement with you essentially

Hahahahahaha!!! You can't just agree with me like that! I'm not used to it!!

[IUP24]

Good post.

The minutes thing is a theme with Joe guards. Devante Chance played almost 38 minutes a night. Brandon Spain too.


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[Chuck Norris]

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He is a good player, now. As I recall, the real issue with him was weather daddy gave him more opportunities to play through first year and second year issues that he would have given to an equally regarded player coming out of HS. Also there were questions about weather other PG's on IUP maybe should have started over him but that he got the "dad nod." Last issue was weather IUP went after PG recruits or perhaps transfers that would be a direct challenge for him.

Obviously I don't follow IUP basketball but these were the concerns that I've seen echoed in posts here and in the occasional PM's I have gotten from some who follow IUP. It wasn't that he wasn't a good player, it just seemed that he was getting some dad preference that other players might not be getting.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Oh, you went there...

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