Sancomb Out At Wheeling Jesuit

[IUP Extra Mile]

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Putting Reynolds in there to replace Sancomb is like Duke firing K and replacing him with Bruce Pearl. Danny ran a solid program on and off the court. It is well known that he graduated players on time for those that stayed. I don't know if JUCO U really fits Wheeling Jesuit too well.

If he was terminated because of salary issues, then that has to deter a lot of coaches. I wouldn't really want to go in there and follow Sancomb. Their women's coach just left as well for another D2 job that has had less than stellar results over the years. There are rumors out there that they asked coaches to take pay cuts due to the cost of starting up football.

Not knowing the situation inside / out, that seems plausible.....

[boatcapt]

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Two Questions: Would Kevin Reynolds be interested?

Would WJ entertain Reynolds?

This move defies logic...Sancomb fired is More surprising than Crutch leaving WL.... Getting Fired as a STUD coach? Something is fishy...

Hard to believe it was a money motivated move, after WJ has committed to having football--presumable WJ understands the expenses that it takes to have quality programs? And what would you save by hiring a lesser experienced coach, $30K?

Just odd, odd fire here..

Hey...There is a MEC program that is considering leaving to save travel $'s that will probably be considerably less than that so anything is possible! That said, if he has in fact "lawyered-up," that speaks to an alleged contract violation on his part vice a cost saving move by the school.

[Columbuseer]

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Hey...There is a MEC program that is considering leaving to save travel $'s that will probably be considerably less than that so anything is possible! That said, if he has in fact "lawyered-up," that speaks to an alleged contract violation on his part vice a cost saving move by the school.

Yep. UVA wise has officially announced it is leaving the mec after the upcoming season.
I know the mec rules about football but for a school like wju to take on this burden which is a huge money loser for d2 schools and most d1 schools was difficult to defend after the diocese bailing them out from financial collapse. Imho, alternatively they could have gone to another conference or dropped to d3. Asking basketball coaches to take A pay cut, if true, raises competency issues regarding the administration.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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You don't fire the head coach of your best program -- who, by most accounts, is a great person/coach and has an impeccable reputation -- for refusing to take a pay cut. He should be getting a raise for the job he's done there -- not to mention just winning the MEC.

If you actually do ... then you might as well drop athletics. That would be beyond a slap in the face to alumni, fans and boosters.

Interesting also that the AD and SID are forwarding comment requests to HR. Common in business but not so much in athletics.


Something doesn't add up here, boys and girls. Two sides to every story. Hopefully the Wheeling media is all over this and gets some news.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Have to wonder how many coaches have already contacted Boswell and Pegram -- off the record, of course.

[boatcapt]

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Yep. UVA wise has officially announced it is leaving the mec after the upcoming season.
I know the mec rules about football but for a school like wju to take on this burden which is a huge money loser for d2 schools and most d1 schools was difficult to defend after the diocese bailing them out from financial collapse. Imho, alternatively they could have gone to another conference or dropped to d3. Asking basketball coaches to take A pay cut, if true, raises competency issues regarding the administration.

Where did you hear he was asked to take a pay cut? I would point out that if that is true and he refused to take a pay cut, he in effect took one all the way to $0.00. Diocese bailing them out eliminated WJU's debt which was the primary reason often sited for why they just couldn't start a football program.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Where did you hear he was asked to take a pay cut? I would point out that if that is true and he refused to take a pay cut, he in effect took one all the way to $0.00. Diocese bailing them out eliminated WJU's debt which was the primary reason often sited for why they just couldn't start a football program.

In theory, yes. However, if he wants a job he won't have to look very far. Granted, his prospects for this upcoming season aren't great due to the late timing but he'll get lots of interest next year when the next batch of jobs open. He should join the staff at WL this year just to stick it to WJ. I don't know of any jobs currently open in the Atlantic although one could open if WJ hires a sitting head coach.

[boatcapt]

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You don't fire the head coach of your best program -- who, by most accounts, is a great person/coach and has an impeccable reputation -- for refusing to take a pay cut. He should be getting a raise for the job he's done there -- not to mention just winning the MEC.

If you actually do ... then you might as well drop athletics. That would be beyond a slap in the face to alumni, fans and boosters.

Interesting also that the AD and SID are forwarding comment requests to HR. Common in business but not so much in athletics.


Something doesn't add up here, boys and girls. Two sides to every story. Hopefully the Wheeling media is all over this and gets some news.

I note that Wheeling Intelligencer reporter Shawn Rine said he would be surprised if WJU fired him because he refused to take a pay cut.

Maybe the AD asked him to "trim" his 24 player roster and that was just too much for him to bear?

[boatcapt]

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In theory, yes. However, if he wants a job he won't have to look very far. Granted, his prospects for this upcoming season aren't great due to the late timing but he'll get lots of interest next year when the next batch of jobs open. He should join the staff at WL this year just to stick it to WJ. I don't know of any jobs currently open in the Atlantic although one could open if WJ hires a sitting head coach.

While that would be funny and certainly worth the price of admission...don't see it happening. Maybe they make him a "paid advisor!" But what could happen is one or perhaps two players transferring up to WLU.

Seems like the wheels came off on this really quickly. When was Sancomb's contract set to expire? Perhaps he went into the AD's office and demanded a pay raise to an unreasonable level? If he knows he is wanted by another program (either as a well paid D1 assistant or perhaps a better paid DII HC) it's not inconceivable to think that he made an obscured contract demand knowing that WJ could not pay him and would have no choice but to cut him free? I mean, we are in 100% speculation mode here so that is as reasonable as WJ asking him to take a pay cut.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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I was wondering about that ... how does the MEC handle that option? Sit a year?

The PSAC makes them sit a year if they transfer 'in conference' although there is an exception to the rule (in very fine print). It's why Brandon Norfleet only had to sit one semester rather than a full season when he came to IUP.

[Columbuseer]

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Sancom releases statement. Good to see assurances that there are no bad facts.
See link
https://hoopdirt.com/sancomb-release...eeling-jesuit/

[HeavenontheHill]

[boatcapt]

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People talk about football being a "money loser"...particularly at the DII level. My question is are there ANY DII sports that are money WINNERS? I also wonder when people talk about the "expense of football" and point to the fact that there are 100 players that need to be equipped with expensive football equipment vice other sports that equip far fewer players with much cheaper gear. What they never factor into the equation that on a typical 100 player DII team offering the maximum 36 schollys, that means there are SIXTY FOUR players paying FULL tuition. That's a lot of coin coming into the school BECAUSE of football. ALSO, a lot of the 36 schollys are funded by private/corporate/alumni donations with this money again going back to the school coffers...so really, all (most?) of the scholly process is just a way to convert money contributed for athletics to academic purposes.

Problem is that no one on either side wants to do a TRUE cost analysis that includes all revenue and costs associated with a program. Much easier to make broad general assumptions like...100 players is a lot of expensive football equipment so football MUST be expensive...The football stadium PROBABLY costs a lot of money...and 36 schollys HAVE to cost a lot of money that MUST come directly out of academics.

[boatcapt]

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Sancom releases statement. Good to see assurances that there are no bad facts.
See link
https://hoopdirt.com/sancomb-release...eeling-jesuit/

Doesn't appear from this statement that he was fired because he wouldn't take a pay cut. Seems like he violated a rule that the administration felt was a fireable offense...He on the other hand considers the rule he broke to be a technical violation that did not warrant firing. Guess we'll see how the courts feel about this.

Didn't he just run a basketball camp at the end of April? Wonder if the violation had something to do with that? I seem to remember a few years back that WLU had a problem with how the money related to one of their basketball camps was being administered.

[Columbuseer]

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People talk about football being a "money loser"...

Problem is that no one on either side wants to do a TRUE cost analysis that includes all revenue and costs associated with a program. Much easier to make broad general assumptions like...

Here is ncaa study on d2 athletic costs.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...etics-expenses

Uses median instead of mean which is good
Design. Key points:
Athletic depts with football net expenses are 7.5% of institution's expenses. Median of $5.5m in 2012.

Median revenue with football is about 600k.
Without football it is 300k.
Athletic expenses rising faster than academic expenses.

This is before CTE, which could make football insurance costs unaffordable. Once someone wins a lawsuit then schools will be forced to drop football due to risk. BTW, you can get CTE without ever having a concussion. NFL PR is trying to frame the argument as " reduce concussions then no cte". Neurologists do not agree as it is repeated blunt force trauma which may or may not result in concussions. more study is needed in severity and number. They are see brain changes in pee wee players after one year in wake forest study. My point is that the risks will increase costs to make football unaffordable for a school. It is a dying sport just like college boxing teams which ncaa cancelled in 1960 ( some schools still continue as club sport)