Performance Indicators 2016-17

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

With regards to Ship, if you notice, the week that they "moved up", their PI actually went down 17.33 to 16.82. That's pretty significant. So in order for them to have "moved up", realistically, one of the other higher ranked teams stumbled worse than Ship did. Their score dropped again pretty hard to 16.39, but that is still an outstandingly high number in comparison to the national field. Let's just say they had room to trip and not feel quite as much pain because they built up such a good lead over everybody.

1	Fairmont State	Atlantic	MEC	21-0	100.00%	17.33	50.89%	52.63%
3	West Liberty	Atlantic	MEC	19-1	95.00%	16.40	47.38%	52.65%
4	Shippensburg	Atlantic	PSAC	16-2	88.89%	16.39	52.36%	50.82%
5	Kutztown	Atlantic	PSAC	16-2	88.89%	16.28	50.50%	51.75%
8	Indiana (Pa.)	Atlantic	PSAC	20-2	90.91%	16.14	50.17%	50.79%
11	Wheeling Jesuit	Atlantic	MEC	16-4	80.00%	16.00	57.03%	50.20%
43	Virginia State	Atlantic	CIAA	16-3	84.21%	14.47	39.19%	49.73%
45	Virginia Union	Atlantic	CIAA	18-4	81.82%	14.41	42.02%	50.14%
62	Notre Dame (Ohio)	Atlantic	MEC	15-6	71.43%	13.81	47.40%	51.87%
68	East Stroudsburg	Atlantic	PSAC	14-6	70.00%	13.60	45.06%	52.50%
70	Gannon	Atlantic	PSAC	14-6	70.00%	13.55	47.84%	51.43%
77	Shepherd	Atlantic	MEC	13-7	65.00%	13.35	50.81%	51.81%
108	Chowan	Atlantic	CIAA	12-6	66.67%	12.50	42.39%	49.08%
123	Pittsburgh-Johnstown	Atlantic	PSAC	11-9	55.00%	12.20	50.65%	50.36%
132	Charleston	Atlantic	MEC	12-9	57.14%	11.95	45.23%	52.77%
141	Slippery Rock	Atlantic	PSAC	11-10	52.38%	11.86	50.91%	50.28%
143	Bloomsburg	Atlantic	PSAC	10-8	55.56%	11.83	48.96%	51.57%
152	West Virginia Wesleyan	Atlantic	MEC	10-9	52.63%	11.53	50.60%	51.77%
160	Shaw	Atlantic	CIAA	9-11	45.00%	11.35	53.39%	46.81%
169	Bowie State	Atlantic	CIAA	9-12	42.86%	11.19	54.55%	48.32%
175	Glenville State	Atlantic	MEC	8-11	42.11%	11.00	52.77%	51.41%
175	Urbana	Atlantic	MEC	7-12	36.84%	11.00	55.94%	51.43%
178	West Chester	Atlantic	PSAC	9-12	42.86%	10.95	53.19%	50.65%
187	Winston-Salem State	Atlantic	CIAA	8-11	42.11%	10.74	49.93%	48.46%
196	Lock Haven	Atlantic	PSAC	6-9	40.00%	10.53	54.43%	50.60%
200	Millersville	Atlantic	PSAC	7-13	35.00%	10.45	56.66%	49.14%
203	Mansfield	Atlantic	PSAC	7-11	38.89%	10.39	52.45%	50.79%
207	St. Augustine's	Atlantic	CIAA	8-12	40.00%	10.30	48.30%	47.02%
217	Seton Hill	Atlantic	PSAC	8-11	42.11%	10.05	44.09%	52.19%
219	Mercyhurst	Atlantic	PSAC	7-11	38.89%	10.00	49.29%	50.29%
219	Lincoln (Pa.)	Atlantic	CIAA	7-13	35.00%	10.00	50.46%	48.14%
233	UVa-Wise	Atlantic	MEC	4-15	21.05%	9.68	61.13%	50.09%
234	California (Pa.)	Atlantic	PSAC	7-14	33.33%	9.67	50.21%	50.33%
239	Johnson C. Smith	Atlantic	CIAA	8-13	38.10%	9.52	47.00%	47.35%
241	Livingstone	Atlantic	CIAA	8-13	38.10%	9.48	45.47%	46.90%
245	Concord	Atlantic	MEC	6-15	28.57%	9.33	53.72%	49.88%
250	Fayetteville State	Atlantic	CIAA	5-11	31.25%	9.13	47.38%	47.82%
252	West Virginia State	Atlantic	MEC	5-15	25.00%	9.10	54.03%	50.51%
260	Edinboro	Atlantic	PSAC	5-13	27.78%	8.78	49.85%	50.37%
263	Clarion	Atlantic	PSAC	4-16	20.00%	8.70	56.67%	49.45%
290	Bluefield State	Atlantic	IND	4-15	21.05%	7.63	42.13%	48.08%
296	Cheyney	Atlantic	PSAC	2-19	9.52%	7.29	56.01%	49.60%
309	Elizabeth City State	Atlantic	CIAA	1-16	5.88%	5.82	48.01%	48.22%

[boatcapt]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

So Ship has lost their last two games and it as cost them 1 spot (3-4) while WJU has also lost its last two and it has cost them 8 spots (4-11)?

And WLU's PI has actually dropped (16.41 to 16.40) even though they are on a 13 game winning streak?

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

So Ship has lost their last two games and it as cost them 1 spot (3-4) while WJU has also lost its last two and it has cost them 8 spots (4-11)?

With as long of a lead as they had, yes.

And WLU's PI has actually dropped (16.41 to 16.40) even though they are on a 13 game winning streak?

This is not uncommon. That's only 0.01 difference. You can't assume a win raises your PI - if you beat a weak team, it can lower it since the PI is an average. Generally speaking, any PI over 15 is great. Ship was above 17 at one point, but is slowly coming back to earth.

[kwcpantherfan]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

The real "gotcha" when it comes to the PIs is how another team's win or loss can move you up or down since they can move from one break point to another. You can literally not even play a game yourself but move due to what someone else did. That always throws me off.

[boatcapt]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

The real "gotcha" when it comes to the PIs is how another team's win or loss can move you up or down since they can move from one break point to another. You can literally not even play a game yourself but move due to what someone else did. That always throws me off.

Or you can win and move down...or lose and move up. A .01 move by Ship and WLU and Ship would have been above WLU even though they had lost two in a row and WLU was in the midst of a 13 game winning streak.

So do wins and losses count anything in PI? If they do, it sure doesn't seem like they count much!

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Yes, a win and loss is very different, but it is a constantly evolving number that is the result of an average of all of your games.

Points are based three factors - W/L, location, and W% of the opponent. And this number can change as teams improve or worsen through the year. The biggest reason you see unusual "drift" is because some teams hover right around the 25/50/75% marks and consequently, you see a 3-point fluctuation any time they cross that imaginary line.

Here is how points are awarded - as you can see, a win is always worth more than a loss. Remember, these numbers are AVERAGED. What you've seen happen with Ship is that they built up such a high number that they had some wiggle room to lose a game and not fall in the rankings.

23 − Win on road against a .750 or above team
22 − Win neutral-site game against a .750 or above team
21 − Win at home against a .750 or above team
20 − Win on road against a .500-.749 team
19 − Win neutral site game against a .500-.749 team
18 − Win at home against a .500-.749 team
17 − Win on road against a .250- .499 team
16 − Win neutral site game against a .250-.499 team
15 − Win at home against a .250-.499 team
14 − Win on road against a .000-.249 team
13 − Win neutral site game against a .000-.249 team
12 − Win at home against a .000-.249 team
11 − Road loss to .750 or above team
10 − Neutral site loss to a .750 or above team
9 − Home loss to a .750 or above team
8 − Road loss to a .500-.749 team
7 − Neutral site loss to a .500-.749 team
6 − Home loss to a .500-.749 team
5 − Road loss to a .250-.499 team
4 − Neutral site loss to a .250-.499 team
3 − Home loss to a .250-.499 team
2 − Road loss to a .000-.250 team
1 − Neutral site loss to a .000-.250 team
0 − Home loss to a .000-.250 team

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

While you math geeks work all this crap out ... I'll just stick to the standings and watch the games. LOL. Trust the eyes and remember Billy Beane's famous quote ... If you lose the last game of the season ... nobody gives a sh!t.

[boatcapt]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Seems like a team can maximize its points by scheduling teams that have an easy schedule. In theory, this teams opponent should have more W's by virtue of their easy schedule which would mean they would get more points weather they win or lose. Bonus points if you go to their place! Comparatively speaking, home games cost teams points...you always get more points, win or lose, by going to your opponents house.

[schnautza]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Seems like a team can maximize its points by scheduling teams that have an easy schedule. In theory, this teams opponent should have more W's by virtue of their easy schedule which would mean they would get more points weather they win or lose. Bonus points if you go to their place! Comparatively speaking, home games cost teams points...you always get more points, win or lose, by going to your opponents house.

I'm not sure how you can predict somebody's schedule while trying to plan yours, but yes, that would be a way to inflate your PI.

[IUP Extra Mile]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I'm not sure how you can predict somebody's schedule while trying to plan yours, but yes, that would be a way to inflate your PI.

Acutally the best way to increase your PI is to play good teams home and ESPECIALLY away... Play anybody anywhere...hard to do,if you need a minimum # of home games from revenue standpoint, but I know many of the WL faithful share my thought that WL could upgrade their OOC schedule with 1 -2 better games....

[boatcapt]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I'm not sure how you can predict somebody's schedule while trying to plan yours, but yes, that would be a way to inflate your PI.

It would be imperfect, but you can make some pretty good guesses based on history and a cursor assessment of what a potential opponent is losing (or gaining).

[boatcapt]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Acutally the best way to increase your PI is to play good teams home and ESPECIALLY away... Play anybody anywhere...hard to do,if you need a minimum # of home games from revenue standpoint, but I know many of the WL faithful share my thought that WL could upgrade their OOC schedule with 1 -2 better games....

I want to see us play better OOC foes just because it would be more entertaining. The MEC has sufficient "tigers" in it that we really don't need to seek them out to "prepare us" for tourney play! Four regular season games against Fairmont and WJU plus the MEC tourney is sufficient "big game seasoning!!"

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Plus those PSAC refs are terrible and Joe only takes 2-for-1 deals so I hear.

As for the planning, there are some exceptions but generally it's the same mix of the the good programs and the garbage programs year after year.

[boatcapt]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

Plus those PSAC refs are terrible and Joe only takes 2-for-1 deals so I hear.

As for the planning, there are some exceptions but generally it's the same mix of the the good programs and the garbage programs year after year.

2 for 1 or one year in his house!!!

I think "point maximizing" is best used by a team that sees themselves as a borderline tourney team. If you can play the system (give your home game up to a really good in-conf opponent you were probably going to lose to anyway...schedule an extra road game against a bad opponent...etc), you might get an extra few points and that could be the difference in going to the NCAA or sitting on your couch watching it.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Performance Indicators 2016-17

I saw Alderson Broaddus lost on the road last night to a then 0-17 Ohio Valley. That can't be too good for the P.I.