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Originally posted by IUPHawks24 View Post
The 100th best team in Division II basketball would not be able to compete over the course of a season with a “bottom half Division I team”. That would be anywhere from roughly 182-364. Maybe spots 330 through 364. But the 200th ranked Division I team is 15-20 points better than a fringe D2 NCAA Tournament team.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post
Just your opinion, or do you have evidence?
If we get into the ELITE Division II teams- Nova SE, Washburn, NW Missouri St of years past, etc. - that's different. But even West Liberty- they lost last night, and are 4-6 out of region over the last 3 years.
Some people don't grasp the ramifications of it, but every school in Division I has 13 full scholarships, with the exception of the Ivy League. And soon to be 15 for many of them.Last edited by IUPHawks24; 03-26-2025, 08:12 AM.
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Originally posted by IUPHawks24 View Post
My opinion. There's no way to have evidence. For example, from this season a Millersville, Sheperd, IUP, even an ESU would not be able to compete at the same level as a #200ish Division I team over the course of a 31 game season. That would be like a Dartmouth, Brown, Quinnipiac, Vermont, Ohio, Youngstown.
If we get into the ELITE Division II teams- Nova SE, Washburn, NW Missouri St of years past, etc. - that's different. But even West Liberty- they lost last night, and are 4-6 out of region over the last 3 years.
Some people don't grasp the ramifications of it, but every school in Division I has 13 full scholarships, with the exception of the Ivy League. And soon to be 15 for many of them.
Goes back to the West Liberty "system" discussion. Try and run 10-11 guys out there getting limited minutes every night at that level. Do that and tell them the "system" is more important than their NIL dollars or performance numbers which will help their "transfer up" potential. They'll be wishing they were competing against Davis & Elkins real quickly.
The management and recruiting at that level is just a completely different world.
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Originally posted by IUPHawks24 View Post
My opinion. There's no way to have evidence. For example, from this season a Millersville, Sheperd, IUP, even an ESU would not be able to compete at the same level as a #200ish Division I team over the course of a 31 game season. That would be like a Dartmouth, Brown, Quinnipiac, Vermont, Ohio, Youngstown.
If we get into the ELITE Division II teams- Nova SE, Washburn, NW Missouri St of years past, etc. - that's different. But even West Liberty- they lost last night, and are 4-6 out of region over the last 3 years.
Some people don't grasp the ramifications of it, but every school in Division I has 13 full scholarships, with the exception of the Ivy League. And soon to be 15 for many of them.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Every school does not, especially when you get down to the lower conferences and transitional programs. 13 is the max and I believe that's going up. It’s years possible conferences may institute a scholarship floor but I've never heard of it being a written policy. The NCAA doesn't have scholarship floors for each level. If Penn State wants to award 0.75 full scholarships for men's soccer, they can do that. When you get down to the traditional olympic sports and other third tier programs, you'd be astonished at how little money is given out, even at major universities. They're just recruiting on D1 prestige. I can say for certain there were years when Andy Toole had maybe 9 or 10 at RMU with a couple walk-ons.
I can say with about 99% certainty that is completely false. He might’ve opted not to fill every scholarship, but I’m almost certain he had the full 13 available to him.
Your point about soccer is true, but basketball is a headcount sport. That’s changing next year with the house settlement, but up until this year you either receive nothing or a full scholarship in men’s basketball. I believe volleyball is also a headcount sport in Division I, but I would have to doublecheck.
As far as transitional programs go, we’re talking 10-15 programs in the country. Do you think Bellarmine was playing with a full deck this year? Mercyhurst? Stonehill? UC San Diego? If I was a betting man, I would say all of them were.
Again, I can almost guarantee that every team in the America East, MAAC and Patriot are playing with the full 13. If there is an exception, it would be at most one less, not three or four.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostHeavy losses at Fairmont State
Taj Thweatt
Andre Harris
David Jolinder
Thweatt allegedly left the team mid-year this year over a disagreement with the coach anyway (this according to a Fairmont fan I was talking to at the Regional tourney). He was nowhere to be found down the stretch.
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