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  • Originally posted by Finchwidget View Post
    Hartford moving from D1 to D3 was met with a lot of backlash on campus. Idaho's decision to drop to FCS got their president doxxed online, and that was just in football.
    The Hartford situation was hilarious because nobody was going to the games but they had a lot to say when the decision was made to go DIII.

    That Idaho situation is disturbing though. Some fans are nuts.

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    • A meeting was held last week to determine the future of NAIA Concordia-Ann Arbor. They will not close but will not operate independently, albeit with budget cuts ahead. They notably merged with Concordia-Wisconsin in 2013

      Concordia University Regents decide Ann Arbor campus will be not be independently operated | WEMU-FM

      In other news, the International College of Broadcasting, Triangle Tech, and Pittsburgh Technical College have all announced closure.
      Last edited by SW_Mustang; 06-12-2024, 03:19 PM.

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      • Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
        A meeting was held last week to determine the future of NAIA Concordia-Ann Arbor. They will not close but will not operate independently, albeit with budget cuts ahead. They notably merged with Concordia-Wisconsin in 2013

        Concordia University Regents decide Ann Arbor campus will be not be independently operated | WEMU-FM

        In other news, the International College of Broadcasting, Triangle Tech, and Pittsburgh Technical College have all announced closure.
        Yes, dropping sports after the coming year, but still staying open.

        The future of CUAA athletics beyond 2024-25

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        • Originally posted by laker View Post

          Yes, dropping sports after the coming year, but still staying open.

          The future of CUAA athletics beyond 2024-25
          CSP is under the Concordia umbrella - and that university system has been hit hard over the last decade. Makes me hope they will pull through.

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          • I've noticed that the CACC and NCAA logos are not on the Bloomfield College athletics site. The Saint Augustine's athletic site "not found" for several days now.

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            • Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

              The Hartford situation was hilarious because nobody was going to the games but they had a lot to say when the decision was made to go DIII.

              That Idaho situation is disturbing though. Some fans are nuts.
              The Hartford thing-the president basically forced it down everyone’s throats and then took his retirement and left right after it. Right or wrong (and I couldn’t tell you either way), it was handled quite poorly.

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              • Originally posted by cwfenn View Post

                The Hartford thing-the president basically forced it down everyone’s throats and then took his retirement and left right after it. Right or wrong (and I couldn’t tell you either way), it was handled quite poorly.
                The St. Cloud method. Nice...

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                • Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                  I've noticed that the CACC and NCAA logos are not on the Bloomfield College athletics site. The Saint Augustine's athletic site "not found" for several days now.
                  Bloomfield College isn't on double secret probation, but they are on probation. I don't see them surviving. A lot of these colleges on this list are already closed or are closing (Wells, Saint Rose, Pittsburgh Tech). Once you are in jeopardy of losing accreditation, that is when the end is near.

                  https://www.msche.org/non-compliance...ons-by-status/
                  Last edited by Bballfan; 06-20-2024, 06:59 AM.

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                  • DIII Alverno College announces financial distress, early cuts include track and field program:

                    Alverno College declares financial emergency, plans to cut programs (jsonline.com)

                    WCC University of Wisconsin - Oshkosh at Fox Cities is closing.

                    UW-Oshkosh to shut down Fox Cities campus amid enrollment plunge - WTMJ

                    It's hard to get information on the WCC, but this is surely the deathblow to the conference if it hadn't been dealt already. Wikipedia notes that after closures and departures, only three teams will remain (assuming they aren't closing and/or dropping varsity sports already). Sad ending to a pretty unique athletic conference.

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                    • Alverno... "Publicly available records indicate the school has run a deficit in four of the past five years, ranging from $1.8 million to $3.7 million"

                      I don't know why a college thinks things are magically going to turn around, When you are operating at a deficit year over year, you can make cuts, but you can only cut so much and cutting some sports will only take more students out of the enrollment numbers. Enrollment numbers are continuing to decline, so no magic elixir is out there to save all these schools who can't even operate at a break-even level.

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                      • Originally posted by Bballfan View Post
                        Alverno... "Publicly available records indicate the school has run a deficit in four of the past five years, ranging from $1.8 million to $3.7 million"

                        I don't know why a college thinks things are magically going to turn around, When you are operating at a deficit year over year, you can make cuts, but you can only cut so much and cutting some sports will only take more students out of the enrollment numbers. Enrollment numbers are continuing to decline, so no magic elixir is out there to save all these schools who can't even operate at a break-even level.
                        The "magically" part is key - my alma mater was experiencing an enrollment decline while I was there. The administration wanted to snap their fingers and make it all go away - no investment or effort needed. The president literally told myself and a group of students to text our friends and tell them to go to school there - it was so pathetic.

                        I usually view these announcements as a cry for help - a last ditch effort to rally alumni/community support. It rarely, if ever works, especially in the long term. Higher education is so weird in that regard.

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                        • Originally posted by Bballfan View Post

                          Bloomfield College isn't on double secret probation, but they are on probation. I don't see them surviving. A lot of these colleges on this list are already closed or are closing (Wells, Saint Rose, Pittsburgh Tech). Once you are in jeopardy of losing accreditation, that is when the end is near.

                          https://www.msche.org/non-compliance...ons-by-status/
                          Yup - Morris Brown is the only school I can think of off-hand that survived long enough to regain accreditation candidacy and they still have a long road ahead.

                          It's a fascinatingly sad story with a redemption arc that is probably unique to only them. Very strange situation, but I'm happy they pulled it out.

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                          • Originally posted by laker View Post

                            Yes, dropping sports after the coming year, but still staying open.

                            The future of CUAA athletics beyond 2024-25
                            CUAA is going to be done within 2 years in my opinion. Dropping all athletics is the worst possible thing this school can do. You may retain some of your students, but 70% of the students at CUAA are on at least 1 athletic team. Some of them may still attend CUAA after their teams get cut, but I suspect you will see a huge enrollment plunge and accordingly a huge financial collapse of the school.

                            From what I am hearing, living not far from CUAA, this decision making isn't as much about the finanancial issues as school leadership is making it out to be. There is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes related to the university structure and it's affiliation at a Lutheran school that are behind these changes. I know at least one person on the committee looking into the situation with CUAA / CUW (they are all one school actually), left the committee because it wasn't looking into what the regents actually wanted them looking into.

                            In my opinion, you may see a "new" school form out of this entire mess, but time will tell what that school would be like.

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                            • Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

                              The "magically" part is key - my alma mater was experiencing an enrollment decline while I was there. The administration wanted to snap their fingers and make it all go away - no investment or effort needed. The president literally told myself and a group of students to text our friends and tell them to go to school there - it was so pathetic.

                              I usually view these announcements as a cry for help - a last ditch effort to rally alumni/community support. It rarely, if ever works, especially in the long term. Higher education is so weird in that regard.
                              Absolutely. The "cry" for help to booster donations. Lake Erie College is doing that now. But in the end if you don't meet your enrollment numbers and operate at a deficit, a private school is fooling itself if it can remain viable long-term. A public university can also go cry for more from the politicians, but private institutions are hamstrung in that regard. They have to beg for the donations. And it rarely works out well.

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                              • Originally posted by Bballfan View Post

                                Absolutely. The "cry" for help to booster donations. Lake Erie College is doing that now. But in the end if you don't meet your enrollment numbers and operate at a deficit, a private school is fooling itself if it can remain viable long-term. A public university can also go cry for more from the politicians, but private institutions are hamstrung in that regard. They have to beg for the donations. And it rarely works out well.
                                Northland College in Wisconsin just went through that scenario - they raised enough to stay open, but it's only a short term solution. That well is going to run dry really quickly, so they'll have to restructure to stay afloat long term. Remains to be seen if they have what it takes to do so.

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