OT: Urban

[IUP24]

It will be interesting, plus great schadenfreude for the Penn State fans

[ironmaniup]

Re: OT: Urban

True, but they will love it all the same.

[IUP24]

OT: Urban

True, but they will love it all the same.

[Fightingscot82]

Re: OT: Urban

Oh good lord.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...n-urban-meyer/

[IUP24]

Oh good lord.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...n-urban-meyer/

That entire family needs to just go away.


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[iupgroundhog]

Re: OT: Urban

Oh good lord.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...n-urban-meyer/

I totally agree with Jay Paterno. No matter what we think of Urban Meyer, decisions by OSU should be based on the facts, his employment contract and definitions of his responsibilities within the larger organization. But rather everybody wants to prosecute the case and the individuals involved based on media-fueled innuendo, PR considerations, and "protecting the brand", which is the same milieu being condemned for covering up the behavior to start with. Not claiming I know who knew what and when but this becomes a vicious circle and in the end it is all based on "protecting the brand" which is the idea everybody decries to begin with.

I remember the night back in 2011 when FS82 you informed me and the rest of the posters that the PSU Board had fired Joe Paterno. My immediate reaction was "That is a mistake." I believe it was a rush to judgment then and I still think that. As a society, let's get back to dealing with facts and due process.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: OT: Urban

Mistake? Joe was likely headed to jail if he had lived. At the very least to trial with the others.

[Fightingscot82]

Re: OT: Urban

I totally agree with Jay Paterno. No matter what we think of Urban Meyer, decisions by OSU should be based on the facts, his employment contract and definitions of his responsibilities within the larger organization. But rather everybody wants to prosecute the case and the individuals involved based on media-fueled innuendo, PR considerations, and "protecting the brand", which is the same milieu being condemned for covering up the behavior to start with. Not claiming I know who knew what and when but this becomes a vicious circle and in the end it is all based on "protecting the brand" which is the idea everybody decries to begin with.

I remember the night back in 2011 when FS82 you informed me and the rest of the posters that the PSU Board had fired Joe Paterno. My immediate reaction was "That is a mistake." I believe it was a rush to judgment then and I still think that. As a society, let's get back to dealing with facts and due process.

My response was merely because both the reporter and Jay Paterno felt that Jay had something to contribute to this situation.

[iupgroundhog]

Re: OT: Urban

You say "Had the hammer been brought down on that program..." The penalties against Penn State were huge. 5 year probation with no bowl appearances, reduced scholarships, financial penalties. Opening it all up to civil litigation which cost PSU into the billions. The President of the university is in jail, as is the business manager and the AD. Paterno is dead and Sandusky is locked up for life. Beyond the penalites levied the only thing left was the nuclear option of shutting down the program and what good would that do? At a certain point in any decision you have to look at the impact on the community at large and going further just means hurting people who had nothing to do with the scandal. Enough innocent people were hurt already. As for other schools in the NCAA they were warned. You couldn't do any more warning.

[iupgroundhog]

Re: OT: Urban

Mistake? Joe was likely headed to jail if he had lived. At the very least to trial with the others.

It was a mistake because it was based on "protecting the brand" rather than the board members', including the illustrious Tom Corbett's, evaluation of the facts and known things. In fact, Corbett likely influenced the decision the most. Note the link below where Corbett reflects that the hasty decision was, in fact, a mistake.

http://https://www.newsmax.com/US/Jo.../07/id/606112/

[IUPNation]

Re: OT: Urban

The NCAA messed up because they inserted themselves into a criminal case that was the jurisdiction of the criminal justice system of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

They literally used a report paid for by Penn State to rush to judgement on Penn State and levy the sanctions because there was so much OUTRAGE. I look at it as PSU haters finally getting to take their shots at Penn State. Everyone who was involved got put on trial....Sandusky will die in jail. The system worked. Destroying the Penn State foosball program hurts the kids. It took chances away from the kids who had nothing to do with it. What the Penn State trustees should have done is fire everyone involved right on the spot and clean house.

Meatchicken State had that toad groping females for YEARS and many people knew about it and still no sanctions on that school. Why Not?

The Penn State issue bugs me because the main focus of that was to crush the foosball program and not focus on tossing Sandusky into jail for the rest of his life and putting his enablers on trial. Crimes were committed and there had to be justice for the victims. That is not the jurisdiction of the NCAA.

[iupgroundhog]

Re: OT: Urban

My response was merely because both the reporter and Jay Paterno felt that Jay had something to contribute to this situation.

Yeah, but I think that's just cynicism. So you don't think his opinion is legitimate?

[iupgroundhog]

Re: OT: Urban

The Penn State issue bugs me because the main focus of that was to crush the foosball program and not focus on tossing Sandusky into jail for the rest of his life and putting his enablers on trial.

You have to understand that for a half century preceding the scandal Paterno and Penn State was the most outspoken voice against corruption and unethical behavior in big time college sports. When the crack opened implicating Paterno the world jumped on it and wouldn't let go.

I agree with Jay Patermo to the extent that somebody has to take a step back in the Meyer case and make decisions based on facts and not based on the PR implications.

[Chuck Norris]

Re: OT: Urban

You say "Had the hammer been brought down on that program..." The penalties against Penn State were huge. 5 year probation with no bowl appearances, reduced scholarships, financial penalties. Opening it all up to civil litigation which cost PSU into the billions. The President of the university is in jail, as is the business manager and the AD. Paterno is dead and Sandusky is locked up for life. Beyond the penalites levied the only thing left was the nuclear option of shutting down the program and what good would that do? At a certain point in any decision you have to look at the impact on the community at large and going further just means hurting people who had nothing to do with the scandal. Enough innocent people were hurt already. As for other schools in the NCAA they were warned. You couldn't do any more warning.

[IUP24]

OT: Urban

You say "Had the hammer been brought down on that program..." The penalties against Penn State were huge. 5 year probation with no bowl appearances, reduced scholarships, financial penalties. Opening it all up to civil litigation which cost PSU into the billions. The President of the university is in jail, as is the business manager and the AD. Paterno is dead and Sandusky is locked up for life. Beyond the penalites levied the only thing left was the nuclear option of shutting down the program and what good would that do? At a certain point in any decision you have to look at the impact on the community at large and going further just means hurting people who had nothing to do with the scandal. Enough innocent people were hurt already. As for other schools in the NCAA they were warned. You couldn't do any more warning.