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  • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    Final fall enrollment ("headcount") released from PASSHE:
    University Fall 2013 Fall 2014 Fall 2015 Fall 2016 Fall 2017 Fall 2018 Fall 2019 Fall 2020 Fall 2021 Fall 2022
    Cheyney 1,212 1,022 711 746 755 469 618 627 642 706
    Commonwealth 18,357 17,667 16,760 16,074 15,011 13,986 13,514 13,391 12,468 12,093
    Bloomsburg 10,127 9,998 9,777 9,658 9,287 8,924 8,689 8,436 7,745 0
    Lock Haven 5,260 4,917 4,607 4,220 3,827 3,425 3,162 3,163 2,920 0
    Mansfield 2,970 2,752 2,376 2,196 1,897 1,637 1,663 1,792 1,803 0
    East Stroudsburg 6,778 6,820 6,828 6,830 6,742 6,425 6,214 5,842 5,136 5,152
    Indiana 14,925 14,571 14,035 13,114 12,562 11,581 10,636 10,067 9,308 8,832
    Kutztown 9,513 9,218 9,000 8,513 8,329 8,309 8,199 7,892 7,675 7,469
    Millersville 8,279 8,047 7,988 7,927 7,748 7,781 7,817 7,495 7,213 6,821
    PennWest 21,421 20,527 19,772 18,958 18,588 17,015 16,191 15,669 14,477 12,780
    California 8,243 7,978 7,854 7,553 7,788 7,312 6,842 6,885 6,512 0
    Clarion 6,080 5,712 5,368 5,224 5,225 4,869 4,703 4,465 3,922 0
    Edinboro 7,098 6,837 6,550 6,181 5,575 4,834 4,646 4,319 4,043 0
    Shippensburg 7,548 7,355 7,058 6,989 6,581 6,408 6,096 6,130 5,668 5,164
    Slippery Rock 8,347 8,495 8,628 8,881 8,895 8,824 8,806 8,876 8,424 8,243
    West Chester 15,845 16,086 16,606 17,006 17,336 17,552 17,691 17,719 17,640 17,296
    System Total 112,225 109,808 107,386 105,038 102,547 98,350 95,782 93,708 88,651 84,556
    No matter what they try to tell the media or alumni, the two integrated universities will no longer be reporting as individual campuses.
    Looks like Walk On U is slipping too.

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    • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

      Looks like Walk On U is slipping too.
      Integrations and IUP headed for a collision with the retrenchment iceberg.

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      • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

        Integrations and IUP headed for a collision with the retrenchment iceberg.
        Can you explain what you mean?

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        • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

          Can you explain what you mean?
          Unfortunately more layoffs coming at all three schools. Maybe some elsewhere but more strategic. This was shared with me by someone in APSCUF leadership.

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          • This article uses Shippensburg as its example for public regional university struggles going forward, but an important portion about the role of athletics:

            At colleges that survive, as most of them will, the biggest effect of the enrollment cliff will be on how students experience higher learning. Administrators will be hustling to give them new reasons to turn down that $22-an-hour warehouse job. Sports will play a growing role. The biggest athletic schools in America, measured by the percentage of undergraduates who participate in a varsity sport, aren’t the Division I behemoths you watch play football on Saturday afternoons. They’re the Division II, Division III, and NAIA (National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics) schools that are most vulnerable to an enrollment shock. If you loved playing field hockey in high school, the chance to play for the national champions is a powerful draw.
            https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23...ducation-crash

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            • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
              This article uses Shippensburg as its example for public regional university struggles going forward, but an important portion about the role of athletics:



              https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23...ducation-crash
              Interesting that he chose Ship for the subject of the article instead of one of the mergers, which I think would have better made his point. I have reason to believe the bleeding is slowing at Ship. We'll see. Perhaps when our legislative worthies are done trying to impeach the Philadelphia district attorney they can turn their efforts toward education. Not holding my breath on that one.

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              • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                Interesting that he chose Ship for the subject of the article instead of one of the mergers, which I think would have better made his point. I have reason to believe the bleeding is slowing at Ship. We'll see. Perhaps when our legislative worthies are done trying to impeach the Philadelphia district attorney they can turn their efforts toward education. Not holding my breath on that one.
                Well, I think Ship is a better example of the challenges of similar schools without using a drastic example like the mergers. Rural location, evolving mission, diminishing core constituency, strategic pivoting on academic programs. I wish he had mentioned the % of students who are NCAA athletes at Ship to illustrate his point. But the author is a nationally-known writer on higher ed so he at least knows what he's talking about.

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                • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

                  Well, I think Ship is a better example of the challenges of similar schools without using a drastic example like the mergers. Rural location, evolving mission, diminishing core constituency, strategic pivoting on academic programs. I wish he had mentioned the % of students who are NCAA athletes at Ship to illustrate his point. But the author is a nationally-known writer on higher ed so he at least knows what he's talking about.
                  One of the things that will most benefit Ship is the new school of engineering, which got in under the wire before all the pandemic and merge-related stress. It'll be a reasonably priced degree compared to the ones at private engineering school, and the school's proximity to engineering-heavy companies such as JLG lifts, Manitowoc cranes, and Volvo/Mack Trucks offer opportunities for internships and outlets for graduates. Combined with a reputable business school, I think it will be a potent combination going forward. Newly hired President Patterson is a dynamic leader who can read the lay of the land. I feel as confident as I can be given the current climate.

                  Still think the mergers would have been a better example for his article as they are more of an illustration of what can happen as things reach critical mass, but that's open to debate.

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                  • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                    One of the things that will most benefit Ship is the new school of engineering, which got in under the wire before all the pandemic and merge-related stress. It'll be a reasonably priced degree compared to the ones at private engineering school, and the school's proximity to engineering-heavy companies such as JLG lifts, Manitowoc cranes, and Volvo/Mack Trucks offer opportunities for internships and outlets for graduates. Combined with a reputable business school, I think it will be a potent combination going forward. Newly hired President Patterson is a dynamic leader who can read the lay of the land. I feel as confident as I can be given the current climate.

                    Still think the mergers would have been a better example for his article as they are more of an illustration of what can happen as things reach critical mass, but that's open to debate.
                    I agree with you. Plus Patterson understands PASSHE. They loved him at Mansfield.

                    For the article, I think the message is more about how universities can adjust for the new set of challenges and used Ship as an example. Focusing on the mergers would be more about schools that aren't set up to adjust to the new challenges. I wonder what his connection is - I've never read much from him about PASSHE.

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                    • IUP is looking into creating an osteopathic medicine school: https://triblive.com/news/iup-consid...thic-medicine/

                      This could be good or could really hurt them. LECOM has a presence in Greensburg via Seton Hill. Duquesne is starting a school set to launch very soon. I can speak from experience that RMU lost millions trying to establish one 15 years ago. Upside is that any sort of PASSHE tuition model is going to be much less expensive.

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                      • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
                        IUP is looking into creating an osteopathic medicine school: https://triblive.com/news/iup-consid...thic-medicine/

                        This could be good or could really hurt them. LECOM has a presence in Greensburg via Seton Hill. Duquesne is starting a school set to launch very soon. I can speak from experience that RMU lost millions trying to establish one 15 years ago. Upside is that any sort of PASSHE tuition model is going to be much less expensive.
                        I always thought a rural medical program based out of Indiana Hospital would be a win/win. Rural counties have poor medical coverage.

                        IUP should have asked UPMC to maybe partner or something…but I doubt Pitt would be interested.

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                        • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
                          IUP is looking into creating an osteopathic medicine school: https://triblive.com/news/iup-consid...thic-medicine/

                          This could be good or could really hurt them. LECOM has a presence in Greensburg via Seton Hill. Duquesne is starting a school set to launch very soon. I can speak from experience that RMU lost millions trying to establish one 15 years ago. Upside is that any sort of PASSHE tuition model is going to be much less expensive.
                          As part of the IUP constituency, I don't see any downside. This would be a big thing taking IUP into the future.

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                          • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                            I always thought a rural medical program based out of Indiana Hospital would be a win/win. Rural counties have poor medical coverage.

                            IUP should have asked UPMC to maybe partner or something…but I doubt Pitt would be interested.
                            It's all in partnership with IRMC. IUP and IRMC have been working together on a lot of things. This would benefit both the hospital and the university (bigly).

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                            • If they can create a school of osteopathic medicine focused on rural medicine, I think there's absolutely an opportunity there to thrive. Indiana hospital being independent helps some - but the big systems are starting to buy up the small town hospitals. Starting a medical school - even an osteopathic school - is a huge undertaking and takes a ton of money. Duquesne is spending over $150 million in facility needs alone. RMU committed to the plan in 2005 and lost millions spent on hiring and designs for a plan that stalled out. Their estimated startup cost was $25 million in 2005 then $50 million in 2007. They officially gave up in 2009.

                              Its good that this plan is in the very early stages because IUP will have to find a lot of partners and a lot of money. Fortunately it sounds like IUP has a somewhat unique strategy - but they better have a clear path forward or it could severely hurt the university. But should it work, it would be a boon for IUP being seen as more than the senior state school.

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                              • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                                It's all in partnership with IRMC. IUP and IRMC have been working together on a lot of things. This would benefit both the hospital and the university (bigly).
                                I agree. I was thinking UPMC has the resources to help. Heck I’d love to see Penn Medicine be the partner.

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