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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I think you are confusing designing with handling the details. You keep saying he's not designing it, the schools are. But the overall "design" has his name on it. He's just letting the others work out the details.
Where I believe the faculty union and others are wrong is thinking that if they force his resignation that this plan will go away. The chancellor answers to the system board of governors - if they were against this plan they would have put the kibosh on it months ago. With the chancellor gone the system stays the course without a top leader. Nothing changes. Its a wasted effort but that union has never seen a labor vs. management fight they didn't like.
The real villain is the state legislature's hands-off oversight and unwillingness to prioritize funding for state-owned universities. Or even failure to gain the knowledge on the benefits of a well-educated population.
For naming, I don't see a problem with directional names. They're the least offensive and the least likely to be rejected by the public.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Sure does.
Where I believe the faculty union and others are wrong is thinking that if they force his resignation that this plan will go away. The chancellor answers to the system board of governors - if they were against this plan they would have put the kibosh on it months ago. With the chancellor gone the system stays the course without a top leader. Nothing changes. Its a wasted effort but that union has never seen a labor vs. management fight they didn't like.
The real villain is the state legislature's hands-off oversight and unwillingness to prioritize funding for state-owned universities. Or even failure to gain the knowledge on the benefits of a well-educated population.
For naming, I don't see a problem with directional names. They're the least offensive and the least likely to be rejected by the public.
As for names, I agree. Directional names followed by the town make sense. Also, just because there is a tiny school in NEPA called Keystone doesn't mean the PASSHE can't use the word Keystone in their name. It would be clearly a distinct entity. Keystone is a good word to consider.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
All true but to self-destruct like he did in response to the resistance was a very bad thing. Inherent to his role is to be able to balance all the factions and I think he kind of lost it. That kind of thing just doesn't blow over in this environment.
As for names, I agree. Directional names followed by the town make sense. Also, just because there is a tiny school in NEPA called Keystone doesn't mean the PASSHE can't use the word Keystone in their name. It would be clearly a distinct entity. Keystone is a good word to consider.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Sure does.
Where I believe the faculty union and others are wrong is thinking that if they force his resignation that this plan will go away. The chancellor answers to the system board of governors - if they were against this plan they would have put the kibosh on it months ago. With the chancellor gone the system stays the course without a top leader. Nothing changes. Its a wasted effort but that union has never seen a labor vs. management fight they didn't like.
The real villain is the state legislature's hands-off oversight and unwillingness to prioritize funding for state-owned universities. Or even failure to gain the knowledge on the benefits of a well-educated population.
For naming, I don't see a problem with directional names. They're the least offensive and the least likely to be rejected by the public.
But yeah...if the Integrations don't happen...schools will likely start to fail financially. If the Integrations do happen, they have somewhat of a better chance to survive.
He's also right that you can't cut your way out of this. Some of these schools have been cutting costs for 7-8 years. Gotta grow. But that will be very difficult.
IF the Chancellor were to leave, the Integration goes forward but without leadership.
The Faculty Unions love to fight, but they have no leverage. That's essentially what I took Greenstein's disband the system comments to mean. Without Integrations, some schools fail for sure.Last edited by complaint_hopeful; 03-25-2021, 01:20 PM.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
I don't think he self-destructed. I think his hyperbole was taken out of context so they could use it against him. He's right - if they don't find some radical solutions the financially solvent schools will drain their savings covering for the failing schools. I'm not defending him - I think it was more of a gaffe that's being politicized for one group's gain.
I was listening to a Podcast from Raging Chicken and he spoke at I believe Kutztown and he made a comment about 'fail fast' and then modify. He's trying to use like Gates Foundation and Silicon Valley strategies. But, some people hear 'fail fast' and think that means this whole thing will fail.
Frankly, I like that someone is trying new strategies. This thing has been limping along too long. That said, I just don't know that the Universities are capable of changing this drastically. And it may be too late financially.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
That's my take. He was just trying to say that if we don't change the path we're on...it's going to fail and we'll need to disband. More context is he has been doing townhalls where people ask him questions and he gave off-the-cuff answers. His answer was totally politicized.
I was listening to a Podcast from Raging Chicken and he spoke at I believe Kutztown and he made a comment about 'fail fast' and then modify. He's trying to use like Gates Foundation and Silicon Valley strategies. But, some people hear 'fail fast' and think that means this whole thing will fail.
Frankly, I like that someone is trying new strategies. This thing has been limping along too long. That said, I just don't know that the Universities are capable of changing this drastically. And it may be too late financially.
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Posttop three Pee Sack schools academically
West Chester's enrollment increase didn't translate into a lot of new dorm space because the drop in birth rate that started west of the Susquehanna is making its way east. They did not overbuild housing like so many other PASSHE schools did.
Where can one find the academic ranking of the PSAC schools that you reference?
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Originally posted by Horror Child View Post
NOW I remember who it was!!!!!
West Chester's enrollment increase didn't translate into a lot of new dorm space because the drop in birth rate that started west of the Susquehanna is making its way east. They did not overbuild housing like so many other PASSHE schools did.
Where can one find the academic ranking of the PSAC schools that you reference?
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
It seems building residence halls was a bad idea when West Chester has about 36% of student living on campus, and IUP only 32%. The issue may be whether they are filled to capacity. Bloom built several campus housing options during the last decade in the neighborhood of $200 million. They have 42.3% of students living on campus and are at less then 80% capacity. Now they are going to be part of the loneliest number since the number 1.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
It's funny, though. At the time, I don't remember many people objecting to the IUP Housing "Revival." Sure, they complained about how the kids today need all these amenities. But I don't remember hearing that the project would price them out of the market or warnings about a dropoff in college-age population. I think a lot of people thought it would lure the kids to IUP.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
It's funny, though. At the time, I don't remember many people objecting to the IUP Housing "Revival." Sure, they complained about how the kids today need all these amenities. But I don't remember hearing that the project would price them out of the market or warnings about a dropoff in college-age population. I think a lot of people thought it would lure the kids to IUP.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostCurious what a year, assuming retail price, costs at these schools (ballpark):
IUP
Pitt and Duquesne
West Virginia
BFE Pitt branch
BFE PSU branch
Washington and Jefferson
Gannon & Mercyhurst
Bobby Mo
School Sticker Avg. Net IUP $25,005 $20,944 Pitt $33,710 $22,600 Duquesne $59,922 $30,732 WVU $36,222 $25,320 BFE Pitt Branch $26,112 $18,836 BFE PSU Branch $29,374 $20,315 Washington & Jefferson $63,220 $26,787 Gannon $49,151 $22,009 Mercyhurst $54,575 $23,605 Bobby Mo $49,364 $26,682
Sources: Sticker prices are for Fall 2021 freshmen from the university websites. Average net price (average student cost after grants but before loans) comes from government reporting and considers need-based aid like Pell and PHEAA grants as well as athletic aid. Again, its an average.
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