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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostNortheast name announced tomorrow
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Yes. The original decision was based on geography less than potential collaboration/complimenting programs. They successfully argued that their academic programs don't align with Edinboro and Clarion, which I agree with. SRU has invested heavily in engineering and health professions. Edinboro, Clarion, and Cal overlap much more.
Moreso, I disagree with the idea that the western programs, with SRU included, didn't align.
In any merger, benefits arise from differentiation between the merged entities. With Cal, Boro, and Clarion there is very little differentiation within the academic programs.
If SRU would have been a part of it, they could have leveraged the complementary offerings for a better overall model that created efficiencies. I don't see that with the PWU alliance. The three are virtually the same. That defeats the purpose of integration and streamlining.
In contrast, the NE triad actually realizes those kinds of efficiencies because of specific strengths of each member school that are complementary.Last edited by iupgroundhog; 03-01-2022, 09:42 AM.
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The more this drags on, the more I realize that a compromise just isn't going to work. PASSHE needs to rip the bandaid off, select one or two flagships, and reposition every other school as satellite campuses of those flagships. Having this sort of inconsistent branding between different triads is not going to fix anything to a meaningful degree. We are just putting lipstick on a pig at this point.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
Was it Slippery Rock who backed out of the western triad? The whole things is more like Dr. Frankenstein creating the monster, than the Brady Bunch.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI still believe just about all aspects of the plan can be realized without making it into 1 school (which it already is, I know). Ideally, a looser alliance with more independence would have worked better for the NE. In general, Bloom feels they are giving up too much. LHU feels they are getting run over, and Mansfield just wants to be. Greenstein didn't listen nearly enough to the various constituencies in the NE.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
I don't disagree with that, but that CLEARLY is not how the PASSHE is playing it! Imagine a PASSHE with the same budget but only seven (or so) schools? Much more stable and devoid of excess capacity (which I think really is the crux of the problem). If the schools that didn't make the cut want to try and make a go of it as private schools, sell them the assets at fire sale prices and be done with them.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
Was it Slippery Rock who backed out of the western triad?.Last edited by iupgroundhog; 02-28-2022, 07:23 PM.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
The Greenstein mantra seems to be "Good for three, not just for thee." The hope is that the sum will be better than the parts but to truly test that theory, all three members have to provide fully to the common good. Won't work if one of the schools says I AM THE BIG DOGS AND YOU WILL ONLY GET THE SCRAPS THAT FALL OFF MY TABLE!
I wonder beyond sqaking and screaming about how unfair it is, how much "control" a PASSHE school has in participating or not participating in the triads? I mean, can a school really say, thanks but hard NO if Greenstein and the PASSHE BOG askes them to participate?
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI still believe just about all aspects of the plan can be realized without making it into 1 school (which it already is, I know). Ideally, a looser alliance with more independence would have worked better for the NE. In general, Bloom feels they are giving up too much. LHU feels they are getting run over, and Mansfield just wants to be. Greenstein didn't listen nearly enough to the various constituencies in the NE.
I wonder beyond sqaking and screaming about how unfair it is, how much "control" a PASSHE school has in participating or not participating in the triads? I mean, can a school really say, thanks but hard NO if Greenstein and the PASSHE BOG askes them to participate?
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
I don't disagree with that, but that CLEARLY is not how the PASSHE is playing it! Imagine a PASSHE with the same budget but only seven (or so) schools? Much more stable and devoid of excess capacity (which I think really is the crux of the problem). If the schools that didn't make the cut want to try and make a go of it as private schools, sell them the assets at fire sale prices and be done with them.
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I still believe just about all aspects of the plan can be realized without making it into 1 school (which it already is, I know). Ideally, a looser alliance with more independence would have worked better for the NE. In general, Bloom feels they are giving up too much. LHU feels they are getting run over, and Mansfield just wants to be. Greenstein didn't listen nearly enough to the various constituencies in the NE.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
The goal should be to keep schools open that attract students, some version of a free market system. Let each school sink or swim.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Because that's working out so well?? If the goal is to keep all schools open, that isn't going to get you there!
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