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"The State System must clarify a muddled mission"
https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion...s/202112070006
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostTruly national universities - not what US News says is a national university - are fine. They're holding steady or finding ways to enroll more students. Penn State has said their main campus is up 2% this year and Pitt found a way to bring in more students to the main campus and offset branch declines. Penn State doesn't publish enrollment until November but their branches are down. Pitt also hasn't released branch campus numbers but have acknowledged declines at all.
Regional universities like those in the PSAC are far more sensitive to local economies and their students are far more sensitive to price. Same goes for community colleges, which are down big time. I've read 20% in the last two years. Seton Hill is down 2% from last year, Duquesne is down 10% and RMU down 18% since the pandemic.
Cost is a factor - problem is that in a lot of communities there aren't clear alternative paths to decent jobs. Everyone talks about trades but if you don't have access to a quality trade school or union apprenticeship program, you're left out. In many rural small towns your options are living at home while working at Sheetz & Dollar General or going away to college. Military enlistments out of high school are also down mostly in line with demographic decline. Dad can't get you a $35/hr third shift job at the mill like he got. Mom's uncle's farm is now just an open field. Few17 and 18 year olds know about coding boot camps and Google courses or LinkedIn Learning. Everyone likes to say that college is overpriced and overrated but try getting a professional job without a degree.
Beaver: down 30% (555 students)
Fayette: down 54% (525 students)
Greater Allegheny (McKeesport): down 58% (396 students)
New Kensington: down 54% (492 students)
I'm trying to wade through their intentionally messy data to see about others like Shenango, DuBois, Behrend, etc.
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Originally posted by Horror Child View Post
Where can one find that information, or can you post it here?
An objective observation of PASSHE enrollments would lead one to determine that West Chester doesn't have spare rooms. And if they did, why would they give them out for free when they could generate revenue from them? This is totally not the case elsewhere, especially in the west.
And you're saying if a school does give free housing or meal plans to an athlete, that doesn't count as athletic aid?
To count as athletic aid, it must be athletic aid available exclusively to athletes. So if housing & meal waivers are also available to general students, it doesn't count. If an athlete has a 1/4 academic scholarship and a 1/2 athletic scholarship with Pell & PHEAA covering the rest, he'll say he has a full ride because he doesn't pay anything but the school only reports a the 1/2 scholarship. Same with employee tuition waivers. So years ago Jimmy T went to ESU tuition-free and they would have only had to claim any athletic aid they gave him toward fees & room/board.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
That's football-only money though. They offer free housing or free meal plans as well but it doesn't count as football money. For some reason that's more common in the PSAC East than the West, who rarely offer waivers but make up for it with more scholarship dollars.
An objective observation of PASSHE enrollments would lead one to determine that West Chester doesn't have spare rooms. And if they did, why would they give them out for free when they could generate revenue from them? This is totally not the case elsewhere, especially in the west.
And you're saying if a school does give free housing or meal plans to an athlete, that doesn't count as athletic aid?
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
That's football-only money though. They offer free housing or free meal plans as well but it doesn't count as football money. For some reason that's more common in the PSAC East than the West, who rarely offer waivers but make up for it with more scholarship dollars.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
WCU being the cheapest in both areas may account for how they get athletes without scholarships. Was it 5 for football?
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
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https://www.datawrapper.de/_/ckMjQ/
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202111180130
Great point here in this article. The construction debt is based on the ability to recoup via housing fees. What I think we'll have to see is the universities subsidizing each others housing too. Maybe one rate across the board regardless of campus or configuration.Last edited by Fightingscot82; 11-18-2021, 02:45 PM.
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Originally posted by Bart View PostHere is a Bloom philosophy professor's take on it.
https://bunow.com/professor-reacts-t...er-to-provost/
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Here is a Bloom philosophy professor's take on it.
https://bunow.com/professor-reacts-t...er-to-provost/
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