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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

    Speaking as someone from the Harrisburg area who went to Ship, Ship is not too far from Harrisburg. If you're on the Harrisburg West Shore, it's a 45-minute drive from almost any location. The three counties with by far the most Ship alumni over the years have been Cumberland and Dauphin counties in the Harrisburg area and Franklin County to the south.
    It might be for some people and it was for you. But the numbers don't bear that out. I'm not saying that students are going to PSU-Capitol Campus rather than Ship. We don't know that. However, in 10 years Ship has lost 30% enrollment and the Capitol Campus has increased by about 65% (I don't think graduate enrollment is included in the graph for PSU branches).

    It went from Capitol enrollment ~2500 and Ship enrollment ~8500 10 years ago to next year probably both schools enrollment will be in the 5000's.

    I've driven from the east to football games at Ship many times so I understand that 45 minutes from the western shore. It seems like 2 and a half hours. I must have driven westward on the turnpike over 100 times and when I leave the western shore I feel like I've dropped off the edge of the earth.

    Let's face it, the population is to the east. PSU being in Swatara Township is much more convenient for commuters in Dauphin, Lebanon, Lancaster and York counties.

    It's like a textbook comparison between Ship and PSU-Capitol. Ship is the old style residential college with all the majors, some valuable and some, let's say, less valuable. In contrast, Capitol is a commuter campus. 85% commute. If you look at their course offerings they are heavy on technology related majors and things that could be considered more practical in terms of employment. PSU-Capitol is in line with all the trends in education. Things the PASSHE does but mostly talks about.

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  • Ship69
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

    These are interesting images. Most of the PSU branches are so small they shouldn't be a concern for PASSHE. The old, traditional PSU branches (Behrend, Altoona, Berks) have PASSHE-like experiences. PSU-Harrisburg has grown but there is no PASSHE presence in Hbg. (Ship and Mvile too far away). So, when I look at this I don't see a huge threat for PASSHE coming from PSU branches. The big ones have always been there (I picked between IUP and PSU-Altoona myself and that was XX years ago).

    As for PASSHE schools when so many have had enrollment drops of 25-50% it has to change how everything is run.

    The map is just obscene. PA has to to understand how this affects the future of the state.

    Link below shows party control in Hbg.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Party_contro...ate_government
    Speaking as someone from the Harrisburg area who went to Ship, Ship is not too far from Harrisburg. If you're on the Harrisburg West Shore, it's a 45-minute drive from almost any location. The three counties with by far the most Ship alumni over the years have been Cumberland and Dauphin counties in the Harrisburg area and Franklin County to the south.

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  • IUPNation
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    Harrisburg is useless. Worst state legislature in America.

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  • ironmaniup
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

    These are interesting images. Most of the PSU branches are so small they shouldn't be a concern for PASSHE. The old, traditional PSU branches (Behrend, Altoona, Berks) have PASSHE-like experiences. PSU-Harrisburg has grown but there is no PASSHE presence in Hbg. (Ship and Mvile too far away). So, when I look at this I don't see a huge threat for PASSHE coming from PSU branches. The big ones have always been there (I picked between IUP and PSU-Altoona myself and that was XX years ago).

    As for PASSHE schools when so many have had enrollment drops of 25-50% it has to change how everything is run.

    The map is just obscene. PA has to to understand how this affects the future of the state.

    Link below shows party control in Hbg.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Party_contro...ate_government
    The huge reduction in funding is a big problem with the viability of the PASSHE - consider how things like deferred maintenance, reduction in custodial and secretarial staffs, effect enrollment. The small enrolled PSU (and Pitt) campuses are also a problem for PASSHE though. Consider that each 100 students is equal to about 1 million in revenue. a difference of 300-400 students from Pitt Greensburgh, PSU New Ken, and PSU Dubois is significant. THese also selectively effect specific majors more, so it is difficult to tell just what impact, 100 less Physics / pre-engineering majors is a huge impact compared to 100 pysch majors.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Speaking of PSU branches. This doesn't include Pitt branches (probably due to Philly bias)
    Last edited by Fightingscot82; 04-26-2024, 08:04 AM.

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  • iupgroundhog
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    These are interesting images. Most of the PSU branches are so small they shouldn't be a concern for PASSHE. The old, traditional PSU branches (Behrend, Altoona, Berks) have PASSHE-like experiences. PSU-Harrisburg has grown but there is no PASSHE presence in Hbg. (Ship and Mvile too far away). So, when I look at this I don't see a huge threat for PASSHE coming from PSU branches. The big ones have always been there (I picked between IUP and PSU-Altoona myself and that was XX years ago).

    As for PASSHE schools when so many have had enrollment drops of 25-50% it has to change how everything is run.

    The map is just obscene. PA has to to understand how this affects the future of the state.

    Link below shows party control in Hbg.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Party_contro...ate_government

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Last edited by Fightingscot82; 04-26-2024, 07:54 AM.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    PASSHE for comparison. When everyone is asking "why the F are we paying to keep a 618 student college open?" they need to see that Penn State chart.
    Last edited by Fightingscot82; 04-26-2024, 07:55 AM.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    2010 was the high water mark for almost all schools. Two more cliffs coming in 2025 and 2030. Get ready to rock.

    Last edited by Fightingscot82; 04-26-2024, 07:55 AM.

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  • Ship69
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    As I pointed out in an earlier post, they are already making some adjustments at Ship. It's happening.

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

    When I refer to PA Republicans and public education you can go back over decades of state budgets and voting records to see what I'm talking about. PA Republicans basically want to reduce government and taxes. One of the most effective ways of doing that is limiting spending on public education at all levels.

    Also, when I refer to a part of the Republican Party in PA that wants to destroy public education I'm talking about religious conservatives in Lancaster, York, Lebanon, and parts of Dauphin, Berks, and northern Chester County. Essentially, they are motivated because they want to shift funds to religious education. Whenever you see something from The Commonwealth Foundation, this is them. The Commonwealth Foundation has it's roots with Fundamentalist Christians who literally would like to eliminate public education. They don't think government should be in education. That organization has received funding and become broader in their mission; however, a lot of that is smoke and mirrors. Their main goal is to promote religious education at the expense of public education. They are influential in PA. Here's their website.

    https://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/
    So basically the American Taliban.

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  • iupgroundhog
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    When I refer to PA Republicans and public education you can go back over decades of state budgets and voting records to see what I'm talking about. PA Republicans basically want to reduce government and taxes. One of the most effective ways of doing that is limiting spending on public education at all levels.

    Also, when I refer to a part of the Republican Party in PA that wants to destroy public education I'm talking about religious conservatives in Lancaster, York, Lebanon, and parts of Dauphin, Berks, and northern Chester County. Essentially, they are motivated because they want to shift funds to religious education. Whenever you see something from The Commonwealth Foundation, this is them. The Commonwealth Foundation has it's roots with Fundamentalist Christians who literally would like to eliminate public education. They don't think government should be in education. That organization has received funding and become broader in their mission; however, a lot of that is smoke and mirrors. Their main goal is to promote religious education at the expense of public education. They are influential in PA. Here's their website.

    https://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by Bart View Post

    When I lived in Chester County it was very conservative, which was probably a given with all the rich Republican living there. Is it difficult for you?
    Chester County Republicans are not like Any Republicans in Central and Western PA. Democrats just took control of the Chester County gubmint too. The GOP needs to ditch the social conservatives and the fake bible thumpers.

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    I think you too easily dismiss Republicans. I think it's a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Under Wolf, PA House speaker Mike Turzai and rural county tea partier Brad Roae have both joined the PASSHE Board of Governors. And in spite of their previous criticisms, they voted in favor of asking the state for the extra $100MM to jump start system innovation. Reminds me of every school board election when R's run on the "eliminate waste and cut taxes!" platform only to get elected and realize there's not much waste to cut.

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  • Bart
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    When I lived in Chester County it was very conservative, which was probably a given with all the rich Republican living there. Is it difficult for you?

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